Israeli governement won't allow the creation of a Palestinian state.

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Eli
Jibril Rajoub, or Gavriel Regev, depends if you're a Shabaknik or not, is one of the best Palestinian leaders. His men were engaged in terrorism, but nothing really serious. His mother was Jewish.

IIRC, Hitler had a grandparent who was Jewish. But I don't think that helps his case much...

-Arrian

[Saint Marcus]

screw him then

[Az]

Arrian : AFAIK , Hitler's stepfather was jewish.

oh, and I think Eli was joking.

[Eli]

I'm not.

His mother was a Jewish woman who married a Palestinian and converted to Islam. By "best" I mean "moderate".

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Dalgetti
Arrian : AFAIK , Hitler's stepfather was jewish.

oh, and I think Eli was joking.

Doh! Serves me right for skimming the lost couple of posts and jumping in.

-Arrian

[Sirotnikov]

Eli was joking.

Jibril Rajoub has brothers in Isralei prisona nd has other brothers in Hamas (or Jihad).

Originally posted by Adam Smith
Just saw something this morning about a growing split in the Palestinians between Mohammed Dahlau (Pal security chief in Gaza) and Jibril Rajoub (Pal security chief in WB). Anybody know more about who these two people are, what their positions are, why the split, and is it likely to matter?

Mohammed Dahlan is quite close to Arafat.

Arafat has 2 main "secretaries" - Abu Ala and Abu Mazen.

Dahlan is of the Abu Mazen clan. The Abu Mazen clan is closer to Arafat now.

Rajoub is of the Abu Ala clan. So was the chief of Tanzim whom we arrested. The Tanzim was very weakened after Defensive Shield.

Still already 2 attempts at lives of people from the Abu Mazen clan.

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
and now he says: They' won't give (security) they won't recieve (land), and even if they do give (security) they won't recieve (land)

Not true.

He says they'll recieve land, only that a certain time has to pass in which they prove themselves, before they get complete statesmenship.

He says that giving them full state rights now would be stupid, since they are already in a terror mood and would use those rights for terror.

tell me, what incentive do the pals have now to stop their terracts?

We are not responsible for that.

We gave them very nice incentives in 2000 and even in January 2001, in Tab'a, egypt.
Now it's their responsability.

Anyway, this makes things all quite clear that Israel wants to fully annex the west bank.

First, you should admit you have no idea what you are talking about.

Who is "Israel".

The government? No - the govt. and Ariel Sharon in specific have already mentioned in different stances that a Palestinian state will be set up. It's simply not possible for him politically to restate this now.

The likud? No - in a poll conducted among likud members, 80% stated they believe that a Palestinian state will eventually be set up.

The people? No - in a poll conducted a week or so ago, some 60%+ said that they are interested in the Saudi proposal.

So what the fook are you talking about?

And already 40% of that land is occupied by jewish settlers (accoring to a jewish charity organisation), and is rising.

I wouldn't believe that... it frankly seems too much.

20% - 30% maybe...

But then again, that's my estimate.

Why don't we just put the same sanctions on Israel as we put in Iraq?

Because Israel behaves humanely towards the Palestinians?

Because we aren't cleansing a people?

Because we honestly tried again and again to reached a viable peace agreement and the other side decided to burn all bridges by starting a military resistance.

[Natan]

Actually Cyber, your links prove no such thing. The division of Jerusalem was never a part of the Oslo accords, and was never even hinted at, as far as we know, even in private, by Rabin, and part of the Labor platform as late as 1999 was that Jerusalem could not be divided.

The first piece is an analysis of Netanyahu, which really doesn't prove his intentions and certainly isn't a quote or declaration of intentinon on his part. In fact, Netanyahu went on to sign two peace treaties with the Palestinians, the Wye and Hebron accords.


Marcus: There's the problem. Why is it up to Israel to provide the Palestinians an incentive to stop killing innocent people? Would you use this justification for the Chechen terrorists who bombed the VE day celeberation in Russia? Terrorism has to stop simply because it is wrong.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Natan
Actually Cyber, your links prove no such thing. The division of Jerusalem was never a part of the Oslo accords, and was never even hinted at, as far as we know, even in private, by Rabin, and part of the Labor platform as late as 1999 was that Jerusalem could not be divided.

The first piece is an analysis of Netanyahu, which really doesn't prove his intentions and certainly isn't a quote or declaration of intentinon on his part. In fact, Netanyahu went on to sign two peace treaties with the Palestinians, the Wye and Hebron accords.


Marcus: There's the problem. Why is it up to Israel to provide the Palestinians an incentive to stop killing innocent people? Would you use this justification for the Chechen terrorists who bombed the VE day celeberation in Russia? Terrorism has to stop simply because it is wrong.

hi ,



oh yeah , for all those people who seem to be agains t the nation of Eretz Israel , why dont you come to visit Israel and see with your own eyes , ...........

and then , only then should one put the zap on us , ...........

have a nice day

[Saint Marcus]

Because Israel behaves humanely towards the Palestinians?

Because we aren't cleansing a people?

Because we honestly tried again and again to reached a viable peace agreement and the other side decided to burn all bridges by starting a military resistance.

[Sirotnikov]

I hereby declare you king of useful and thoughtful posts.