Israeli governement won't allow the creation of a Palestinian state.

[Saint Marcus]

Tell us your theories on where it will end Marcus.

Formal annexation of the westbank, and perhaps gaza.

And while your at it, explain why most of the Pals(or most of the Arab world for that matter) still doesn't recognize Israel.

I'm sure you have also heard of the Saudi peace plan, which includes the formal recognision of Israel by all/most arab nations.

And most of the Pals? Arafat and the PLO do recognize Israel. Sure the people in the street don't agree, but they aren't the ones in power.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


Formal annexation of the westbank, and perhaps gaza.



I'm sure you have also heard of the Saudi peace plan, which includes the formal recognision of Israel by all/most arab nations.

And most of the Pals? Arafat and the PLO do recognize Israel. Sure the people in the street don't agree, but they aren't the ones in power.

The only thing they recongize Israel as is a target. If as you say the Arabs recognize Israel, why are the Saudies offering it in a their peace plan? It would appear that the Arabs, at this point in time, do not recognize Israel.

[Tom201]

Mobius

THAT is why there is an election in the Netherlands this week! Some might say that if it were not for Srebrenica Pim Fortuyn might not have been assassinated...

Hu?
The election is regular. No changes made. The government did the smart move to quit only weeks bevor the election.
Please elobarate why you think Pim Fortuyns assasination has anything to do with Srebrenica. I cant see the link.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Tom201
Mobius

THAT is why there is an election in the Netherlands this week! Some might say that if it were not for Srebrenica Pim Fortuyn might not have been assassinated...

Hu?
The election is regular. No changes made. The government did the smart move to quit only weeks bevor the election.
Please elobarate why you think Pim Fortuyns assasination has anything to do with Srebrenica. I cant see the link.

I thought these elections were called as a direct result of the Dutch government's resignation over their handling of the Srebrenica massacre...

Without their resignation, there would have been no elections and Fortuyn would not have become as popular so soon and deemed to be needed to be assassinated by some weirdo. OK it's a tenuous link and I was having a bit of fun...

[Saint Marcus]

I thought these elections were called as a direct result of the Dutch government's resignation over their handling of the Srebrenica massacre...

No. the elections were already scheduled before all of that happened.

[Sirotnikov]

Saint, you're exceptionally trolling.


And no, neither arabs nor the PA recognize Israel.

The PLO charter which calls for war against Israel in order to free whole of "palestine" wasn't legally cancelled.

The PA schoolbooks, show no recognition of Israel, but rather refer to the whole area as palestine, and to Jews they refer as "evil sons of satan, european colonists".

https://www.edume.org

[Saint Marcus]

And no, neither arabs nor the PA recognize Israel.

they will if Israel signs the, US backed, Saudi proposed peace treaty.

Funny that you don't say anything about the topic though, just a side issue.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


they will if Israel signs the, US backed, Saudi proposed peace treaty.

Funny that you don't say anything about the topic though, just a side issue.

So your saying that they don't recognize them now


And you condemn the Likud party for what the Arabs already do?

[Saint Marcus]

And you condemn the Likud party for what the Arabs already do?

since when do two wrongs make a right?

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


since when do two wrongs make a right?

So you will agree that Palastinian terrorism is unacceptable and that they must stop those acts or face international punishment?

[Sirotnikov]

I did say things about that topic.

It's a scam. - it says nothing new.

It contains the refugees issue, which is suicidal and can't ever be implemented.

It also demands a one sided withdrawal, as a pre-condition, without discussing any terms and arrangements.

Furthermore, when Israeli government, both on official and non-official levels tried to contact the Saudis, they refused.

[Sprayber]

Saudi Plan = Public Relations for European audience

[Ecthy]

don't be silly, Spray... you can hardly claim we're the ones that are blind of unilateral views

[Saint Marcus]

So you will agree that Palastinian terrorism is unacceptable and that they must stop those acts or face international punishment?

Yep, but the same goes for Israel's actions.

I did say things about that topic.

And on the topic of the denial of a Palestinian state by the Likud?

Saudi Plan = Public Relations for European audience

Oh really? Last I heard Bush supported it as well. Remind me, from what European country was Bush again?

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
don't be silly, Spray... you can hardly claim we're the ones that are blind of unilateral views

I didn't say that. I said the plan was meant for the European audience. If you buy into it or not is entirely up to Europeans. Some will and some won't.