Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn has just been shot

[faded glory]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


oh please. "American style shootings" here is what you see in the hollywood movies, and the things happening in the Bronx and South Central LA. And those things are alien here. And they are called "american style" here by everyone. It's not meant as a troll. And if you don't have something usefull to contribute, please piss off.

When was the last political assassination in America? Really mark, for someone who says alot about USA. You seem to know very little. Perhaps its the movie's that give us a bad rep?

[Saint Marcus]

When was the last political assassination in America? Really mark, for someone who says alot about USA. You seem to know very little. Perhaps its the movie's that give us a bad rep?

I said they are "what you see in hollywood movies".

and there have been a good number of political assasination attempts in the states.

also, "american style shooting" is not what I made up (hence the quotation marks) but a translation of what was said by reports on tv.


please read before posting.

[faded glory]

ok ok......ill leave now.

[Ecthy]

Let's face it guys... he was a right-winger, and while that's a sad loss of life, the political loss for Europe should be a minor one. Would the outcry be as large if Le Pen had been shot? According to spiegel.de, I conclude they're similar.

I'm not certain however...

[Oldenbarnevelt]

Originally posted by Dr.Oogkloot
This is sick.

BTW, I think Lijst-Pim Fortuijn will get more votes now. (because of sympathy for Pim and because public safety was one of his main issues...)
I don't think they will disband. (if only because that's what the shooter would have wanted and it will encourage other potential shooters).

About postponing the elections: are they allowed to do that by the constitution?

Possibly, but how could it be motivated in this case? I am sure the elections won't be postponed.

Does anyone here know what is usually done when the name of someone who has died is already on all the voting ballots for next week? :/
Surely they won't allow people to vote for Pim himself?

As far as I can see, his name will remain on the list of candidates. If he is chosen, another candidate will replace him.

Kieswet Art. P 18a.:

"Blijkt bij toepassing van deze paragraaf dat een overleden kandidaat gekozen zou moeten worden verklaard, dan verklaart het centraal stembureau benoemd de kandidaat die volgens hoofdstuk W plaatsvervanger van de overleden kandidaat is."

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[Oldenbarnevelt]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
Let's face it guys... he was a right-winger, and while that's a sad loss of life, the political loss for Europe should be a minor one. Would the outcry be as large if Le Pen had been shot? According to spiegel.de, I conclude they're similar.

I'm not certain however...

What do goebbels.de and stasi.de have to say on the matter?

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[- Groucho -]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
I don't see why. 9 days after this tradegy the political scene will still be a mess. I expect some very bizarre outcomes, that make no sense at all.

Not voting makes the least sense of all. Are there no parties amongst all 15 that come even close to approximating your political beliefs?

[Ecthy]

didn't check them

So is he a right-winger or not? if so, his popularity doesn't speak well for the population of the Netherlands.

[Tom201]

Well he is, but not in a sense like german right wingers Ecthelion

[Ecthy]

He's said to flame foreigners, so I don't even care how he compares to "German right-wingers", whatever you think of when using that term. So what's the Dutch people's excuse for being xenophobe?

[Tom201]

Im orginal german, so I know pretty much about german politics.
When you take CSU for a comparison (which fit better than DVU, NPD, Rep.)

He was on same terms for:
- being anti-muslim
- stop immigration

But very diffrent for:
- soft drug legislation
- gay rights


besides he wasnt really liked that much in the netherlands..

[Oldenbarnevelt]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
didn't check them

So is he a right-winger or not? if so, his popularity doesn't speak well for the population of the Netherlands.

Two or three days ago, he broke off an interview with BBC celebrity John Simpson, because he was placed, unjustly and for the umpteenth time, in the same category as Haider, Le Pen, De Winter.
Most journalists are lazy. Life is so much easier when you can place different people in the same category, rather than finding out what they really think. I was not going to vote for Fortuyn, but I hate lazy journalists who mislead the public abroad, people who cannot judge for themselves because they do not read or speak Dutch. Fortuyn was not a racist. He was against mass immigration, against the so-called multi-cultural society if this would bring some sort of compromise between Western and Muslim values, but he was for the emancipation and integration of Dutch citizens of foreign origin. Compare this to Belgian politician Filip De Winter with his slogan "Eigen volk eerst" (lit. own people first), who advocates a policy which discriminates against Belgian citizens of Turkish or Moroccan origin.

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[Ecthy]

Originally posted by Tom201
When you take CSU for a comparisonHe was on same terms for:
- being anti-muslim
- stop immigration

CSU stands in for these?

Oldenbarnevelt - I agree

[Ecthy]

Originally posted by Oldenbarnevelt
He was against...multi-cultural society...

The way I understand the Netherlands, it's all about multiculturalism... what would the very national cultural identity and heritage of the Dutch be like, if not just a mix of German, French, English and especially Spanish () influences?

[Eli]

A suspect was arrested. He admitted he was the killer.