Where do you draw the line???

[Urban Ranger]

So what counts as extremism?

[Ecthy]

Anything that isn't moderate, where the center is what is currently accepted as being the center. It's all about point of view. After the world revolution, communist tendencies will no longer be considered extremely leftist, they'll just be normal. And good anyway. Then the extreme left will be those who demand a revolution into transcendentalism. And after that, politics don#t exist anymore. There will be only zen left.

[Urban Ranger]

Okay. So my question is now where is the centre?

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Okay. So my question is now where is the centre?

Own goal!!!

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Sava


1. Without regulation on guns, society would turn into the old West. Only instead of six-shooters, everyone would have assault rifles. And since the frontier towns are cities now, there would be many times over the amount of violence. David, even with gun regulation, over 30,000 people a year are shot to death in the US. The US has the highest per capita murder rate of any Western Nation, and also the least restrictive gun laws.

Would you care to back up the claim that over 30,000 people are shot to death in the U.S. each year? I can help you, check out the DOJ website http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicid...eaponstab.htm, it has the statistics. Btw, the top year was 1993 with 13,981.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by MrFun
OMG


The backward South --- you guys just did not learn ANYTHING good out of the Civil War, did you??

How is this relevant?

Originally posted by MrFun
I would be scared living in any state that has lax, or no gun regulations.

You are scared by an idea more than reality? States with less gun regulation are safer than states with more. Gun regulations are symptoms of failed law enforcement efforts.

[KrazyHorse]

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Is that table the numbers murdered with each type of weapon? I can see the number being ~14000 then. If you include accidents, suicides, and justifiable homicides then the number rises to ~25000, IIRC.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by MrFun
David Floyd, my favorite nemesis --- there is no legitimacy in cop-killer bullets. Law-abiding citizens -- for the most part, have no need to kill cops.

It's funny, but no one here seems to know what a "cop-killer" bullet is. It is simply an armor piercing bullet, trotted out as the next huge threat to destroy civilzation by the anti-gun lobby. Charles Shumer and company obviously got their money's worth on that one, as evidenced by it's mention (years later) in this thread. Amusingly if I were a cop I would hope that anyone shooting at me would be armed with AP ammunition, as it does less damage than hunting ammunition, unless you are riding in a halftrack. Almost all rifle ammunition will whiz right through a "bullet-proof" (Kevlar) vest btw, so I guess every round of rifle ammunition deserves this sobriquet. Propoganda never ceases to amaze me, tell them a lie and they will remember it forever.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

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Is that table the numbers murdered with each type of weapon? I can see the number being ~14000 then. If you include accidents, suicides, and justifiable homicides then the number rises to ~25000, IIRC.

Try this one:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/weapons.htm

and follow the link by weapon. Homocides btw include justifiable shootings and I believe suicides as well. Fatal accidents are around 600 per year IIRC.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by MrFun

The backward South --- you guys just did not learn ANYTHING good out of the Civil War, did you??

I would be scared living in any state that has lax, or no gun regulations.

Were you refering to the war of northern aggression?

[KrazyHorse]

Are you sure about that? I did a pretty quick search around and couldn't find any definition. It being a Department of Justice website also leads me to believe that they aren't including non-criminal killings.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Sikander

It's funny, but no one here seems to know what a "cop-killer" bullet is. It is simply an armor piercing bullet, trotted out as the next huge threat to destroy civilzation by the anti-gun lobby. Charles Shumer and company obviously got their money's worth on that one, as evidenced by it's mention (years later) in this thread. Amusingly if I were a cop I would hope that anyone shooting at me would be armed with AP ammunition, as it does less damage than hunting ammunition, unless you are riding in a halftrack. Almost all rifle ammunition will whiz right through a "bullet-proof" (Kevlar) vest btw, so I guess every round of rifle ammunition deserves this sobriquet. Propoganda never ceases to amaze me, tell them a lie and they will remember it forever.

The point is not whether rifle ammunition can penetrate a bullet proof vest, but whether there are legitimate uses for AP ammunition for handguns. I really cant think of any (many).

The answer to Schumer and his ilk, is for the NRA to request that the manufacturers stop making such ammunition. It pulls Schumers horns and may save the life of a few policemen.

[Akka]

Originally posted by Sikander


It's funny, but no one here seems to know what a "cop-killer" bullet is. It is simply an armor piercing bullet, trotted out as the next huge threat to destroy civilzation by the anti-gun lobby. Charles Shumer and company obviously got their money's worth on that one, as evidenced by it's mention (years later) in this thread. Amusingly if I were a cop I would hope that anyone shooting at me would be armed with AP ammunition, as it does less damage than hunting ammunition, unless you are riding in a halftrack. Almost all rifle ammunition will whiz right through a "bullet-proof" (Kevlar) vest btw, so I guess every round of rifle ammunition deserves this sobriquet. Propoganda never ceases to amaze me, tell them a lie and they will remember it forever.

Just wondering...
Why would anyone not planning to shoot a cop would like to get his hand on a piercing armor bullet ?

[Tom201]

Since handguns are owned for self-defence the use of AP ammunition is obvious. What if the criminal that atacks you wears some sort of Armor?

[Akka]

Originally posted by Tom201
Since handguns are owned for self-defence the use of AP ammunition is obvious. What if the criminal that atacks you wears some sort of Armor?

Aaaaah yes, I forgot the possibility of an attack by the 6th division of the Heavily Armed Terrorist Army !