Am I a anti-semitist?

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Ethelred
I have decided to cover a few of Chis's rants. Allowing this sort stuff to go be said about me is not something I am comfortable with.

then you shouldn't say them.
I'm amazed that your still in denile, with your own posts cut and posted for you.

Why yes Chris they do have rights.

Then why did you continually deny this?
Don't go for the lie, I already cut and posted your comments.

You never quoted me saying any such thing.

Look again.

I never said anysuch thing.

Then i guess someone is using your log on, or you have no idea why such comments follow your name?

A lie on top of a distortion.

It's all you've done here.
Everything is a "distortion" with you, eh?

I never said any of those things Chris. I did say the Bible shows the Jews taking the land by force. No one but you has tried to deny this. The Bible is quite clear about it.

Your EXACT quote is posted, so give it up.
You think if you keep repeating something, enough people will ignore your earlier posts?
That's why I bothered to cut and paste them.

If I had ever said those things that would be true. Since I didn't say any of it the conclusion is false.

Your own words say different.

It is a big deal to lie and distort and rant and rave. That is why I am replying to this toxic waste you have posted.

HA HA HA HA HA HA
Your own posts are displayed, and that's a big lie!
Had any Elvis sightings lately?

I have shown full well I can out insult you so I won't bother with that any more.

Dream on, loser.
The day a rat bastard like you could take me on hell will freeze over.
Altough in your tiny mind, you think you won something here.
Apolyton is an odd animal, full of people who often take the strangest views, but often out of being misguided.
Then we see people like you, who come here, say outragious things, then deny it for pages on end, even with the quotes displayed.
I'm amazed at your balls, if nothing else.

I am stunned the neither of us have been gagged for it as it is.

Ha ha, you mean your happy your racist claptrap escaped notice.

Especially YOU chris.

No rational person would have a problem with me, so far your supporters consist of Kropoton (who worries about being an anti-semite himeself, and whom I now believe may indeed be one) and Cyber Gnu, who imparted these words of wisdom the other day:
"The only anti-semtic country is the USA, against the arabs"
With such support you charge foward.

Your hate towards me seems to know no bounds and all based on something that only exists in your head.

The day I let a racist like you off the hook is the day i die.
My whole life I fought your kind, those who hide behind words, but spew there little hates.

You owe an apology to every one on this thread that has been exposed to this filth and hate you are spewing.

Your delusional.
You owe the human race an apology for claiming to be part of it.

Go ahead and deny your posts somemore, it's quite amusing.

[KrazyHorse]

How long has this mudslinging match gone on for now?

[Sikander]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
How long has this mudslinging match gone on for now?

About 8 pages, with a page and a half of 'spam' (ie information, opinion and generally useful and interesting posts).

[Ned]

Originally posted by S. Kroeze


Under Roman rule they were not free, couldn't vote and didn't have civil rights.

When were Roman citizens not "free?" When did they not have the right to vote? When did they not have civil rights?

I think you do not believe they were Roman citizens. They were.

Ned

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Chris 62
then you shouldn't say them.
I'm amazed that your still in denile, with your own posts cut and posted for you.

Interesting how the actual quotes don't support what you say about them.

Then why did you continually deny this?
Don't go for the lie, I already cut and posted your comments.

Well since I never did that I can't continue doing it.

I didn't lie but you made delusionary comments about what I actually said.

Look again.

But you didn't. What you quoted and what you said about what you quoted were two different things.

Then i guess someone is using your log on, or you have no idea why such comments follow your name?

Well what I said and what you distorted it too in your comments are considerably different things. Not one single person has supported you in these delusions. Do you take anti-psychotics and have you forgotten to take them lately?

It's all you've done here.
Everything is a "distortion" with you, eh?

Considering that people agree with me on that I think my judgement is correct.

Your EXACT quote is posted, so give it up.

Yes it was an exact quote. Not once did I call anyone a thief. I said quite clearly that the they stole the land according to the Bible. It is the Bible not me that called showed them stealing the land by conquest. If this truth disturbs you perhaps you should try rewriting the Bible.

You think if you keep repeating something, enough people will ignore your earlier posts?
That's why I bothered to cut and paste them.

Fortunatly for me the exact quotes don't say what you claim they say. You seem to have a real reading problem. You can look right at something and see something no one else does.

Your own words say different.
HA HA HA HA HA HA
Your own posts are displayed, and that's a big lie!
Had any Elvis sightings lately?

My own words supported me. They were not at all what you interpretated them as.

Dream on, loser.
The day a rat bastard like you could take me on hell will freeze over.

Gosh "rat bastard" such a devastating remark.

The only hell that exists is the cess pit in you mind.

That tops "rat bastard" anyday.

Altough in your tiny mind, you think you won something here.
Apolyton is an odd animal, full of people who often take the strangest views, but often out of being misguided.

You are excellent example of them.

Then we see people like you, who come here, say outragious things, then deny it for pages on end, even with the quotes displayed.
I'm amazed at your balls, if nothing else.

I am amazed at the delusions you had. Even when you posted exact quotes you continued to claim they meant different things then what you quoted.

Ha ha, you mean your happy your racist claptrap escaped notice.

Well that I wasn't worried about since I didn't make any racist remarks. You have written them for me and then lied that I said them.

No rational person would have a problem with me, so far your supporters consist of Kropoton (who worries about being an anti-semite himeself, and whom I now believe may indeed be one) and Cyber Gnu, who imparted these words of wisdom the other day:
"The only anti-semtic country is the USA, against the arabs"
With such support you charge foward.

Which is two more people than support you. You clearly think anyone that thinks different from you is a racist.

And Arabs ARE Semites.

The day I let a racist like you off the hook is the day i die.
My whole life I fought your kind, those who hide behind words, but spew there little hates.

Then your whole life is spent in persecuting innocent. I said nothing hateful. You simply hate without reason. Hateing the truth is not unusual but you seem to hate simply because you have some mental disorder.

Your delusional.
You owe the human race an apology for claiming to be part of it.

Well I am human. Even a severely delusional person like you is human. Even mass murderers and serial killers are human. I however only fit the human part of that. I am no racist and you are delusional in the constant lies you tell about me.

Go ahead and deny your posts somemore, it's quite amusing.

I have not denied my posts. Only the psychotic delusions you have about them. Nothing in those quotes supported you in anyway.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
How long has this mudslinging match gone on for now?

Since Chris lost his mind and began to attack me. I have only taken the mud from me and sent it back. I didn't dig up any of my own.

I am sorry the thread turned out this way. I am not responsible for the actions of Chris but I will not stand for the vile and evil things he has said about me. He has been completely reprehensible.

I expected a hot arguement and we were having one. Then the psychosis started.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Ethelred


Since Chris lost his mind and began to attack me. I have only taken the mud from me and sent it back. I didn't dig up any of my own.

I am sorry the thread turned out this way. I am not responsible for the actions of Chris but I will not stand for the vile and evil things he has said about me. He has been completely reprehensible.

I expected a hot arguement and we were having one. Then the psychosis started.

Yea, Chris seems to have gone from barely attempting to hide his contempt for almost anyone who takes a position contrary to his own to overtly insulting people almost immediately. It's not very interesting.

[S. Kroeze]

Originally posted by Ethelred
Since Chris lost his mind and began to attack me. I have only taken the mud from me and sent it back. I didn't dig up any of my own.

I am sorry the thread turned out this way. I am not responsible for the actions of Chris but I will not stand for the vile and evil things he has said about me. He has been completely reprehensible.

I expected a hot arguement and we were having one. Then the psychosis started.

I have to say, Ethelred, that I am rather disappointed that you continued reacting to these completely unfounded insults. And even when they would have some foundation, I do not think one should react to such garbage in any circumstances.
You are a good and intelligent debater, so at least to me it was a disappointment to see you sink to the same puerile level.

I hope you know about the possibility to 'ignore' some posters?
It is most useful and highly recommendable!

Sincerely,

S.Kroeze

[Sikander]

Originally posted by S. Kroeze

I hope you know about the possibility to 'ignore' some posters?
It is most useful and highly recommendable!

Sincerely,

S.Kroeze

No wonder you never respond to my posts!

[S. Kroeze]

Originally posted by Sikander
No wonder you never respond to my posts!

You are kidding!
I have never seen you insulting here anyone ever.

There are only some five posters on my 'ignore list'.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by S. Kroeze


You are kidding!
I have never seen you insulting here anyone ever.

There are only some five posters on my 'ignore list'.

Yes I am kidding, but I resist using smilies in case I ever have to write something for a more professional purpose.

[Dry]

Chris (or should I say Moe(*) ), I have read most of your posts with Ethelred, and although I disagree with Ethelred on the right of Israel to exists, most of your posts made me want to puke.
The only thing you can do is insults, tell, teach, order and shout. No discussion. You're a mind terrorist.
If you want to make Israel's pov a favor, please let Natan, Eli and some others explain and discuss between adults, they are 100% more interresting than your insults.

Force is the bases of ALL agreements, it's the basis of real politik

Wrong.
Force is the base of fascism. Fasces (sp?) is the symbol of power, military force. No surprise that most fascist states are ruled by militars.
Real politik is more 'the goal justify the means'. This includes the force, but not as a base, only if necessary.
Real politik is just right policy, Force is far-right policy.

The locals FOUNDED Israel.

If I relate this with preceeding quote, then you recognize that Palestinians are right to use force to try to have an independent palestinian state?
So you agree with the teracts?
I don't... but I'm no fascist.

Are you aware there wasn't even a "PLO" till 1965?
If these people were so "oppressed", why was there no organization for them for 17 years?

So what? What's the point here?
Are you aware there wasn't even a USA till 1776?
If these people were so "oppressed", why was there no independance for them for 156 years?

As we talk, I'm begining to believe your IQ is severly limited.

I know NO people with IQ > 120 who judge the validity of an argumentation by its author IQ.

Law is what can be enforced, not what a body of nations claim it is.

See Hitler, Munich, Chamberlain, Stalin, non-agression pact,...
See civ2 & 3, new tech discovered: 'code of law'. Two people having a problem agree to let it solved by a third party, it will be unfair, no doubt, but it will avoid problems of never ending revenge. It works only with civilized people who both freely agree with the decision, despite the unfairness. It doesn't work indeed with barbarians who sees this as something for the 'weaks' and who need a police to force the tribunal's decision.

All I did was give you facts, you idiot.

Facts mean nothing.
Example:
1 sept. 39: Germany attacks Poland
10 may 40 : Germany attacks Lowlands and France (8 month later)
22 Jun 41 : Germany attacks Soviet Union (almost 2 years after Poland, 1 year after France)
1 dec. 41 : Offensive on Moscow is stopped officially by Hitler (2+ years after Poland conquest)
3 dec. 41 : Offensive effectively stopped (USA, still not at war).
7 dec. 41 : Japan attacks USA (USA, still not at war against Germany)
11 dec 41 : 4 days after Japanese attack, it is GERMANY who declares war against USA.
Those 'facts' are 100% true, you may verify.
Does it mean to you that USA did not come to Europe's help?
'Facts' is one of the principle of propaganda. Statistics are another one.

There is no other way to talk to you, you are a total ass-hole.

Insults, a favorite among others of fascists.

Your so full of sh1t I'm surprised your eyes aern't brown.

Something against brown eyes? I guess you prefer aryans?

The difference is, I won't see it built on the corpses of Jews.

Right, on the corpses of Palestinians would be better, from far.

How many times must you be told the same thing?

Told, told, told. Tell, teach,... re-educate you mean perhaps?
People comunicates, exchange views, conflict ideas, disagree. Fascists (strong) told, order, and they think others (weaks) must agree and obey. 'It is the law of nature'.

It is clear your a racist, but I begin to believe that you don't even realize you are, making you even more frightening.

It is clear you're a fascist, but I begin to believe that you don't even realize you are, making you even more frightening.

Most racists have thick skin, that's how they ignore their victim's cries.

Wrong again. That is true of fascists. And you seem to ignore the palestinians' cries.

Nazis said Jews had no rights, were alien invaders.

Moe said Pals have no rights, were alien invaders.

You owe the human race an apology for claiming to be part of it.

The very only people I have met that deny others (whatever the group: criminals, handicaped people, nigros...) to be part of human race are... fascists and racists.

and I could also have quoted your insult on gay people, another favorite of fascists...

Moe, you mix up
racist and fascist,
real politik and fascisim,
Israel and Jews,
Anti-semitism and Nazism,
discussions and insults;

Your only excuse would be indeed to be a teenager.
If you are not, then it is clear you are a true fascist who ignores it.

PS: I hope you do not mix up fascism and nazism at least.

(*) see Calvin & Hobbes.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by S. Kroeze

You are a good and intelligent debater, so at least to me it was a disappointment to see you sink to the same puerile level.

I think I swam to a level of wit and vitriol. Not quite the same as puerile but sometimes its close.

I hope you know about the possibility to 'ignore' some posters?
It is most useful and highly recommendable!

Sincerely,

S.Kroeze

I have only put one single person on ignore ever in any forum. A really nasty troll that was spaming with a photo of an accident victim. After the 10th time and a carefull perusal of the photo to see if it had been faked I decided it was slowing down my scrolling. I used to work in a photo lab and had seen worse. Not often though.

Anyway I figure its best to see what everyone is saying. I did get annoyed enough at one person that I stopped responding to his replies. I did keep pointing out his grosser errors. Mostly to annoy him.

Anyway I made my point. I will ignore the rest unless he actualy starts making an effort to use reason. I don't want to annoy everyone else with it. I don't actualy mind a good flame war. I like them. Good ones that is. This has been a turkey shoot though and not a good one.

Lets see if I manage to find something appropriate as a Parthian shot.

What I try to be

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame22.html

What I sometimes am instead.

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame3.html

I try not to do that but sometimes I don't notice that the other side is unarmed.

I do this one too but I don't really think of it quite the same way.

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame21.html

I am REALLY big on this one

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame70.html

Chris appears to be a combination of:

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame6.html

and

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame63.html

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Dry
Chris (or should I say Moe(*) ), I have read most of your posts with Ethelred, and although I disagree with Ethelred on the right of Israel to exists,

I don't have any thing against Israel existing. Its there now and must be dealt with. In some way besides a psychotic genocidal rush to the sea by a bunch of fanatics. I was only talking about the founding of Israel which I continue to think was a bad idea all around.

[Dry]

Originally posted by Ethelred
I don't have any thing against Israel existing. Its there now and must be dealt with. In some way besides a psychotic genocidal rush to the sea by a bunch of fanatics. I was only talking about the founding of Israel which I continue to think was a bad idea all around.

Oops, you are right, sorry to have misquoted you.
I was so upset by Moe, that I think I wrote the hole thing a little too fast.
But I still think that it was not such a bad idea.
In that time, and with the situation and vision of that time, I think the UN did the best they could do.