German Columbine

[Guynemer]

Christ on a pogo stick, people! Isn't it a little early to start scoring little political points with this, pro-gun or anti-gun, zero-tolerance or not zero-tolerance, ad naseum? Honestly, I expected better out of some of you.

[Inverse Icarus]

"guns don't kill people, dangerous minorities do"
-Family Guy

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by drake
Who cares what the kid looks like. If they display rage, extreme depression or have obsessions with violence or killing, they display definite warning signs.

And it might be wrong to lump certain kids in with others, but look at the stats. Almost all of these shootings were committed by the less popular, out of the mainstream crowd. So looking at these people closer is a logical thing to do.

Stats? No better way to dehumanize people then to make them nothing but numbers on a spreadsheet. The STATS show that Black Males commit most crime in this country, so clearly based on that one would support pulling over and arresting black males, just in case. Better yet lets make all black males wear a uniform and submit to a curfew because those are proven methods at detering crime

Best yet, lets have a nationwide system of Zero-Tolerance for Black Males. Next time Colin Powell mentions the words "bombs" "guns" or "hate" we lock the bastard up, obviously he has crossed the line.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by DetroitDave
This is especially true when you get into the realm of mandatory drug testing at junior and high schools, as well as stifling of free speech in student publications. Once those rights are taken away "for their own personal safety", there's a strong chance they won't ever get them back.

Those rights are being taken away at an alarming rate over the past few years. Its up to me to get them back.

https://www.youthrights.org

[faded glory]

your full of crap ozzy.


You dont want to profile at risk kids cause you might "Dehumanize" them. Meanwhile; you dont care if someone kills abunch of people and lots die cause people like you dont think the school should watch certain people.


Wow, idiot logic.

[General Ludd]

Let's all live in prison, where it's nice and safe and the goverment can easily look after us, and make sure no one steps out of line.

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by Osweld
Let's all live in prison, where it's nice and safe and the goverment can easily look after us, and make sure no one steps out of line.

only if we're Palestinians

[drake]

Ozzy gimmee a break man. You are blowing my statement way out of proportion. I think you know this too.

There is a science to profiling whether people like it or not. I know you like to think of yourself as a unique snowflake and all Ozzy, but at the end of the day, numbers don't lie. How is it harmful to anyone to be more wary of certain groups that are generally more likely to be at risk for such activity? I'm not saying strip searching kids or giving them a weekly psych evaluation or anything. Maybe just a little added attention from a peer, a consuler or teacher so that the risk of danger drops.

If you're against that....well geez Ozzy, I guess you have more respect for a principle than another humans life.

Ahh yes..thats the boring predictable Osweld answer I'm used to.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by faded glory
You dont want to profile at risk kids cause you might "Dehumanize" them. Meanwhile; you dont care if someone kills abunch of people and lots die cause people like you dont think the school should watch certain people.

I do care if people commit murder. Murderers should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But should we all give up our freedom because someone comes up with a plan he believes will stop future murders? I don't think so.

What is the point of living if the freedom to live ones life is taken away? Oswald's prison comparison was on the ball. No one would ever die if the government forced us all into prisons and hospitals to keep us watched and seperated and such. Is this the world people want to live in? I know not what course others take, but for me, give me liberty or give me death.

[MrBaggins]

FWIW I'm all for profiling, because it undeniably does the job. Of course, I've not yet been profiled.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by drake
Ozzy gimmee a break man. You are blowing my statement way out of proportion. I think you know this too.

There is a science to profiling whether people like it or not. I know you like to think of yourself as a unique snowflake and all Ozzy, but at the end of the day, numbers don't lie. How is it harmful to anyone to be more wary of certain groups that are generally more likely to be at risk for such activity? I'm not saying strip searching kids or giving them a weekly psych evaluation or anything. Maybe just a little added attention from a peer, a consuler or teacher so that the risk of danger drops.

If you're against that....well geez Ozzy, I guess you have more respect for a principle than another humans life.

Ahh yes..thats the boring predictable Osweld answer I'm used to.

There are always people to be wary of. If i'm walking down the street and I spot someone who rubs me the wrong way I'll be cautious. If there is someone at school that doesn't feel right to me I'll keep an eye on him. Does that mean authorities should treat these people differently? No. Should authorities require pysch exams or kick someone out of school because of superficial differences? No.

This kind of hysteria is precisely the reason we have established the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" that shifty kid in the corner wearing black is JUST AS INNOCENT of a crime as his principal, the track star, or the chief of police. We cannot compromise on our principles without slipping towards tyranny. Our founding fathers knew this well, the fact that people now fail to recognize this gives me chills.

Those who would trade their essential freedom for a little temporary safety will loose both and deserve neither.

[Jac de Molay]

It's profiling that causes black folks to get denied mortgages and loans because they present some imaginary risk to lenders. It's profiling that caused the LAPD to once implement the NNUT program (No Ni**ers UpTown). It's profiling that causes humiliation at the hands of police and airport security on a daily basis. Profiling is, and always will be, a sad substitute for lack of information (ie ignorance)

Dave

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by DetroitDave
It's profiling that causes black folks to get denied mortgages and loans because they present some imaginary risk to lenders. It's profiling that caused the LAPD to once implement the NNUT program (No Ni**ers UpTown). It's profiling that causes humiliation at the hands of police and airport security on a daily basis. Profiling is, and always will be, a sad substitute for lack of information (ie ignorance)

Dave

Works pretty good for El Al

and

the FBI hunting serial killers, too...


P.S. being fair is a moot point when you're atomized by a collapsing building.

[Jac de Molay]

Many serial killers were caught on the basis of sheer luck and coincidence alone, not some omniscient profile. There are also plenty of serial killers who dont fit that profile (Richard Ramirez, Wayne williams). I still think it's a copout.

Dave

[MrBaggins]

Many serial killers have been caught through profiles, and catching others helps build the profile.

Serial killers are somewhat of an unknown quantity, and islamic suicide bombers all share one important trait.

Can you guess what that trait is?