Double Standard?

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Ned
Asleepatthewheel, Since the law is not now the way I suggested it should be, we can really know whether women would change their thinking about unprotected sex before marriage. I just think they would, but I might be wrong.
Ned

I know, I could be wrong too. Who knows what THEY are actually thinking at any given time anyway, eh? God knows I don't.

[Ramo]

You have as much of a chance of cutting nutrients off to the fetus, as you do of cutting off your blood flow through your heart. Yet you do nothing to make the blood flow. It's a biological function.

I didn't say otherwise. Again, one process uses a biological infrastructure, while another uses a technological infrastructure. There is no relevant distinction between the two. Unless you bring up theological nonsense.

That is a ridiculous argument. The fetus will die if the mother doesn't eat. No ****. The mother would probably starve to death as well. I can't see what you are trying to get at with this.

If the mother provides a similar infrastructure for her skin cell to develop that her biology provides for her fertilized ova, it will become a person.

The development of the fetus rests entirely upon the actions of the mother, just as the development of the skin cell does. Nothing happens automatically.

Don't like skin cells? A sperm may become up a person if it comes in contact with an egg and then gets the needed nutrients from the owner of the egg.

Just because something may become a person, doesn't give it the legal rights of a person. I don't see why an undeveloped fetus should be any different.

I'm speechless. If you can't see the relevance in the distinction between getting pregnant and doing this quasi-scientific skin cell nonsense then you are an idiot. You people are really scraping to put together an argument.

If you have to resort to ad hominen attacks because you can't come up with a response, then you're an idiot and you have no argument.

How often do your skin cells develop into babies? Now, how often do fetuses develop into babies.

Irrelevent. Both have the possibility of becoming a baby.

[nationalist]

Originally posted by Ramo

If you have to resort to ad hominen attacks because you can't come up with a response, then you're an idiot and you have no argument.

I didn't write this because I have no response, I wrote it because I am amazed someone can write what you wrote with a straight face. If you want my arguments, read my posts. No one will buy the arguments that you have put forth, because they are half logic and psuedo science. Right now, a skin cell can't develop into a person no matter what you do with it. A fertilized egg will. You can't possibly compare their possibilities. Oh wait, yes you can: A fetus will develop into a baby (unless disrupted from the outside). A skin cell won't. Its that simple. True, a woman's actions decide if the fetus lives. If they didn't would we be having this argument? However, the woman can't cut the nutrients off from the fetus without cutting them off from herself. I don't even see how you can justify these excuses to yourself. If you wan't to argue more about this, then PM me.

[Akka]

Nationalist, what's about in vitro fetus ?
Have they the same rights to live than in vivo fetus ?

[devilmunchkin]

i'm going to repost this here:

here's a new quandry:
teenage pregnancy.

if the girl is living at her parent's house and get's pregnant, should she move out? to what extent to her parents have repsonsibility for her child? and what if her parents have other children living in the home? isn't that unfair to do to them just because some girl can't take her birth control normally? SHould she be made to give it up for adoption? abortion?

specific situation: the girl hasn't graduated from high school; in fact, she's dropped out. her abusive boyfriend that she refuses to break up with also is a drop out and never works..no job. he mooches of her, who in turn steals from her dad...who just takes it despite the fact that he has 6 other children! what about them? They're pro-life, and after moving out for awhile, the girl returns home and announces to the household that she's pregnant, and takes on the front that everyone will just have to deal with it. Her father is angry, but he never puts his foot down with her. THis girl will be 18 in july. Does anyone have the right to step in? If so, in what way.

[Akka]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel

I know, I could be wrong too. Who knows what THEY are actually thinking at any given time anyway, eh? God knows I don't.

Well, women themselves don't know what they're thinking at any time

[Akka]

Originally posted by devilmunchkin
Does anyone have the right to step in? If so, in what way.

I would advise to start by a good slapping.

[Ned]

Devilmunchkin, Obviously, you are either the Dad, the deadbeat boyfriend or the irresponsible daughter. Which is it?

[devilmunchkin]

lol. i'm none of the above. i'm 20 and very much not pregnant. I'm obviously not the father, i'm female. I'm an outsider looking at this situation ..i'm one of the brother's girlfriends...one of the pregnant girl' s brother's.

[nationalist]

Originally posted by devilmunchkin
i'm going to repost this here:

here's a new quandry:
teenage pregnancy.

if the girl is living at her parent's house and get's pregnant, should she move out? to what extent to her parents have repsonsibility for her child? and what if her parents have other children living in the home? isn't that unfair to do to them just because some girl can't take her birth control normally? SHould she be made to give it up for adoption? abortion?

specific situation: the girl hasn't graduated from high school; in fact, she's dropped out. her abusive boyfriend that she refuses to break up with also is a drop out and never works..no job. he mooches of her, who in turn steals from her dad...who just takes it despite the fact that he has 6 other children! what about them? They're pro-life, and after moving out for awhile, the girl returns home and announces to the household that she's pregnant, and takes on the front that everyone will just have to deal with it. Her father is angry, but he never puts his foot down with her. THis girl will be 18 in july. Does anyone have the right to step in? If so, in what way.

I have an idea. Wait until the baby is born, give the baby to the grandparents. Then abort the baby's parents.

[Ned]

DMK, Long term, that boy has to get a job and marry the girl. I think the Dad ought to get the brother and perhaps a few others together and "persuade" the boy to do the right thing. Ned

[devilmunchkin]

the boy..hard one. this will be difficult. not only has he abused the pregnant girl, he's attacked her dad. yeah. bad situation. the pregnant girl's dad has a 10 year old son as his youngest child..and i just don't think it's fair that his kids are going to have to suffer because she can't take birth control regularly.
I've thought that maybe she could give it up for adoption, but from the sounds of it, she isplanning on keeping it and staying in the house of her father and not even suing for child support...i.e. this means she's throwing it all on her dad to raise the child.
technically it's not my place to even utter a word...but i get upset over these things because it's happened in my own family. one of my cousin;s had a child when she was 17 and at age 22 is still living at home, mooching off her mother. she's even mooched off my own mother...which doubly pissed me off. i guess this new situation just hit a little too close to home and my defense flags are going up. my boyfriend's dad has SUCH a kind heart. He's 60, and i just think he should be able to start enjoying life rather than raising her kid.

[Sarxis]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

translation: victory

You remind me of the creationists on Poly .

BWAHHAHAA!! HAH HAH!! Heh!... hum...

[wipes lonely tear from cheek]

[nationalist]

Originally posted by devilmunchkin
the boy..hard one. this will be difficult. not only has he abused the pregnant girl, he's attacked her dad. yeah. bad situation. the pregnant girl's dad has a 10 year old son as his youngest child..and i just don't think it's fair that his kids are going to have to suffer because she can't take birth control regularly.
I've thought that maybe she could give it up for adoption, but from the sounds of it, she isplanning on keeping it and staying in the house of her father and not even suing for child support...i.e. this means she's throwing it all on her dad to raise the child.
technically it's not my place to even utter a word...but i get upset over these things because it's happened in my own family. one of my cousin;s had a child when she was 17 and at age 22 is still living at home, mooching off her mother. she's even mooched off my own mother...which doubly pissed me off. i guess this new situation just hit a little too close to home and my defense flags are going up. my boyfriend's dad has SUCH a kind heart. He's 60, and i just think he should be able to start enjoying life rather than raising her kid.

wow... sounds like that girl and her boyfriend are nothing but trouble. If I were the girl's dad I'd get a restraining order on her scumbag boyfriend, then kick his daughter out of the house. If she is so GD grown up and independant, its time for her to prove it. Sometimes parents have to wash their hands of grown children that are problems. At least this way the girl's little siblings will be able to grow up in relative peace. I feel sorry for the Dad as well.

[devilmunchkin]

that's what i think..but it's not my place to say something. and her father is such a kind man to the point where she treats him like a doormat. my bf tells me "that he's really angry," but i've seen it before..he'll just back down and she'll end up taking over the house with that kid. her father has 6 other kids to deal with and now she's adding another. *sigh* but it's not my place to sa a damn thing is it?