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It's a strange behavioral type, sure, but how is it fundamentally different from liking the color blue, in terms of mental order?
What, exactly, do you consider a mental disorder?
What, exactly, do you consider a mental disorder?
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Celibacy and marriage rules go back much further than the 11th and 12th centuries. Rather, to the 4th century and earlier.
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Perhaps the clergy needs a new frame of refernce on the subject. Now where can i find a biker gang willing to rape priests?
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I think the problem beings not with celiby, but rather, with a total lack of qualified mental screening process for would be Priests.
AFAIK, pediophiles can be identifed through proper screening, and the chruch doesn't do this.
This latest ruling is just another example of the "do nothing" strategy of the catholic church.
Ramo, is it acceptable for someone to blow your head open with a shotgun?
That's the same kind of argument your attempting to make here.
There is a limit to how far personal freedom goes, it ends when you infringe on others, like children, for example.I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
i'm an ignorant greek...MarkGComment
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Yeah, but Dan, those "rules" were long "forgotten" by the height of the Middle Ages. It is interesting to see the same canon against priest cohabitating with women other than their mothers, first seen at the Council of Nicea, being repeated at an ecumenical council at the turn of the first millenium.Originally posted by DanS
Celibacy and marriage rules go back much further than the 11th and 12th centuries. Rather, to the 4th century and earlier.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/co...chisto_en.html
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Chris, you're attacking a straw man; I agree that people who act on pedophilia should be prosecuted (since children are incapable of giving their consent).
The debate is not over the legality of such actions, but whether pedophilia constitutes a mental disorder.Last edited by Ramo; April 25, 2002, 13:23."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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There was also, at that time, a lot of interference of the Holy Roman Empire in matters of the Church, including the appointment of bishops, archbishops and the Pope. Obviously, the ecumenical councils at the time were dealing with many major problems and scandals partially caused by having married priests and bishops.Originally posted by Ming
It was also meant to create an Elite level of priesthood... by disinfranchising the married priests. It was also meant to continue the land grab the Church was making in Europe... priests lands then fell to the Church...
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According to the DSM-IV, pedophilia is a mental disorder; homosexuality or liking the color blue are not. You wanna argue with the experts?"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
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It is according to the American Psychiatric Association.Originally posted by Ramo
The debate is not over the legality of such actions, but whether pedophilia constitutes a mental disorder.I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
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Nice crosspost.
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I'm trying to figure out why.
What exactly is a mental disorder?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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If its mental, and its bad, its a mental disorder....people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
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Behavioral health care professionals call disorders, illnesses or diseases that have prominent emotional, behavioral, and psychological symptoms mental disorders. These include substance use disorders and disorders associated with physical changes or illnesses, many of which directly affect the brain. For most of these disorders, however, physical causes have not been demonstrated or are poorly understood, even though biological treatments (e.g. drugs) may be effective in treating them. They may be distinguished from and classified separately from the personality disorders, or the term may be used in such a way as to include personality disordersOriginally posted by Ramo
It's a strange behavioral type, sure, but how is it fundamentally different from liking the color blue, in terms of mental order?
BTW to give this debate some semblance of meaning, why don't you tell me why the behavior type I described in an earlier post is not fundamentally different from liking the color blue?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Inded ther is the possiblility of a married person becoming a priest, and it occurs rarely, but when someone does so HE IS STILL REQUIRED TO BECOME CELIBATE.Originally posted by DinoDoc
But you can be married and become a priest, which is what I said.Gaius Mucius Scaevola Sinistra
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You're making the assertion; you back it up. I can't prove the non-existence of something.BTW to give this debate some semblance of meaning, why don't you tell me why the behavior type I described in an earlier post is not fundamentally different from liking the color blue?
So, if I don't like a behavior, it's a mental disorder? That's an odd definition.mental illness n : the psychological state of someone who has emotional or behavioral problems serious enough to require psychiatric intervention
The DSM-IV-TR also looks to be like a good resource to constitute what does and does not constitute a mental disorder."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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