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  • Your deck seems to be loose and slow. What is the underlying idea?
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    • look at the atogs (especially the phantatog), the enchantresses, and rancor

      thaumatog and land tax also fit

      Jon Miller
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      • My type1 now (on MTG:IE) back in the day I was missing the mox pearl and mirror universe. Obviously no soldevi digger, quash's, temporal adept or diplo immunity, as there are now.

        Type1 can now make a very competent denial/antidestruction deck.


        ARTIFACT MANA
        Black Lotus
        Mox Emerald
        Mox Jet
        Mox Pearl
        Mox Ruby
        Mox Sapphire
        LAND
        4 Underground Sea
        4 Volcanic Island
        3 Island
        3 Gemstone Mine
        2 Reflecting Pool
        Thawing Glaciers
        Mishra’s Workshop
        COUNTERS
        4 Mana Drain
        3 Counterspell
        2 Arcane Denial
        2 Dissipate
        Quash
        Drain Power
        CREATURES
        2 Vesuvan Doppelganger
        Guardian Beast
        Ali from Cairo
        Temporal Adept
        CREATURE PROTECTION
        3 Diplomatic Immunity
        Lifeline
        Bubble Matrix
        DRAWING
        3 Howling Mine
        3 Demonic Tutor
        Ancestral Recall
        Timetwister
        DAMAGE EFFECTS
        2 Black Vise
        OTHER
        Copy Artifact
        Time Walk
        Mirror Universe
        Reset
        Soldevi Digger
        Cursed Totem


        The idea is quick blue/black/red and generic mana, fast draws with the howling mine and specific picks from tutors, just soak damage until ali from cairo and a diplo immunity gets down. Counters out the ying-yang. The bouncing from the temporal adept, to give me another shot at the counter, and graveyard/library control from timetwister/soldevi/tutors. Dopplegangers are there to use anything useful that an opponent puts out, or to dupe temporal adepts or ali or gb. Together, ali + diplo, gb + diplo, lifeline and bubble matrix are just about end of game if you can counter the odd mass spell... then all you do is mirror universe (when you're on 1 and he's on 20) and 2 black vices (or 3 with the copy artifact) + 3 howlings (4 if need be from the copy artifact) and when absolutely necessary ancestral recall on him, to get him over 4 cards at the end of his turn. EOG

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        • ok, here is an example of what ou can do know

          Player A has a creature in play (let's say it is big) plus an island and a plains untapped

          he has an alexi's cloak in his hand

          PLayer B has no creatures, a rystic study in play, and 2 islands and a plains untaped

          he has a swords in hand

          it is player A's turn

          player A declares an attack, and attacks with his creature

          before blockers are assigned player B plays his swords on the creature

          swords goes on the stack

          in response, player A plays his Alexi's cloak on the creature

          (if it was allowed to resolve, the Alexi's cloak would go on the creature and then the swords would fizzle cause it does not have a target)

          but since player A does not pay the extra 1 (for rystic study), player B draws a card

          he lucks out and draws a counterspell, which he plays

          so the stack currently is this

          counterspell (targetting alexi's cloak)
          alexi's cloak
          swords

          the counterspell counters alexi's cloak and so the swords goes through and the creature is eliminated before it damages player B

          Jon Miller
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          • Ok, here's my deck-in-progress. It's a little rough around the edges and the main problem is a lack of ability to deal with flyers. Any suggestions?

            Land:
            9 Plains
            9 Forest
            4 Elfhame Palaces
            3 Meteor Craters

            Creatures:
            4 Basking Rootwallas
            2 Llanowar Elves
            3 Confessors
            4 Mystic Penitents
            3 Quirion Elves
            4 Wild Mongrels
            3 Patrol Hounds
            3 Standard Bearers
            3 Fleetfoot Panthers
            2 Coalition Honour Guards
            2 Arrogant Wurms
            1 Serra Angel

            Enchants:
            4 Armadillo Cloaks
            1 Narcissism

            Instants:
            4 Disenchant
            4 Shelter
            4 Reviving Dose
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            • too many cards

              you want no more than 60

              a question, what do you normally not play in your deck??

              if there is nothing, then try to make judgement calls on creatures

              if there are small ammounts of enchantments and artifacts arround you can drop to 2 disenchants

              Shelter
              Narcissism
              Reviving Dose

              I don't recall what these do

              it might be good to have a few creature controls also

              go with 20 land also and 40 other cards

              you don't really have the cards in to really need the manna acceleration from the elves that badly (so maybe cut a few of them)

              Jon Miller
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              • Shelter - 1W - Inst - Target Creature gains protection from colour of your choice until eot
                Narcissism - 2G - Ench - G, discard: target creature +2/+2 until eot. G, sacrifice: ditto
                Reviving Dose - 2W - Inst - gain 3 life, draw a card.

                I know I have too many, I don't know what to drop. I'd drop the penitents, but they are about the only possible flyers I have atm. I still might.

                For creature controls, I could consider Shackles and/or Pacifism
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                • do you have any kill, like topple or afterlife or swords or second thoughts??

                  pacificism is usually better than shackles

                  I would drop the shelter (not worth enough)

                  narcism is pretty interesting in a discard madness deck

                  do you have any card drawing (I probably already asked you this)

                  currently I would drop reviving dose, it just replaces the card, does not give you cards for those you discarded

                  drop these

                  3 Fleetfoot Panthers
                  2 Coalition Honour Guards
                  3 Quirion Elves
                  2 Llanowar Elves

                  add the devoted caretaker

                  you might have too much discard (do you have a howling mine even?/)

                  that leaves a few less than 40 so that you can put in some creature removal and card drawing

                  (I am actually not sure about the mystics or the patrol hounds, fleetfoot panthers and coalition honor guards might be better)

                  Jon Miller
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                  • oh, see if you can get more arrogant worms

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                    • oh, I just had an additional thought

                      keep the fleetfoot in and use them for creature protection

                      if your creature has a terror played on it, play your fleetfoot panther in response to the terror play and bounce your endangered creature back to oyur hand

                      Jon Miller
                      Jon Miller-
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                      • Originally posted by Jon Miller
                        do you have any kill, like topple or afterlife or swords or second thoughts??
                        The first three don't exist anymore. I have 3 second thoughts, but it costs 4W, a bit expensive?

                        pacificism is usually better than shackles

                        Agreed, I often carry 4

                        I would drop the shelter (not worth enough)

                        Worth a go, I have only used it once so far.

                        narcism is pretty interesting in a discard madness deck

                        do you have any card drawing (I probably already asked you this)

                        Not much at all. I think I listed them all earlier

                        currently I would drop reviving dose, it just replaces the card, does not give you cards for those you discarded

                        Worth a go, although the 3 life on an instant can come in handy. Healing Salve is probably better on the front though.

                        drop these

                        2 Coalition Honour Guards
                        3 Quirion Elves
                        2 Llanowar Elves

                        add the devoted caretaker

                        Nice card! Shame I only have 1.

                        you might have too much discard (do you have a howling mine even?/)
                        No mines, no. I will "buy" some more and see what I get.

                        that leaves a few less than 40 so that you can put in some creature removal and card drawing

                        (I am actually not sure about the mystics or the patrol hounds, fleetfoot panthers and coalition honor guards might be better)

                        Jon Miller
                        get more arrogant wurms

                        Yeah, will try.

                        use fleetfoot for protection

                        Yep, done that a few times already...
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                        • The first three don't exist anymore. I have 3 second thoughts, but it costs 4W, a bit expensive?

                          - yah, I had forgotten why I do not use them

                          pacificism is usually better than shackles

                          Agreed, I often carry 4

                          - stick them in

                          I would drop the shelter (not worth enough)

                          Worth a go, I have only used it once so far.

                          - there were far better cards for cheaper in the past and I bet there are currently

                          narcism is pretty interesting in a discard madness deck

                          do you have any card drawing (I probably already asked you this)

                          Not much at all. I think I listed them all earlier

                          - you might need to rework it then

                          currently I would drop reviving dose, it just replaces the card, does not give you cards for those you discarded

                          Worth a go, although the 3 life on an instant can come in handy. Healing Salve is probably better on the front though.

                          - you have more than enough healing in the 3 confessors

                          - healing sucks (well maybe not wil a new judgement card)

                          drop these

                          2 Coalition Honour Guards
                          3 Quirion Elves
                          2 Llanowar Elves

                          add the devoted caretaker

                          Nice card! Shame I only have 1.

                          - yah, but stick it in, is far better than shelters

                          you might have too much discard (do you have a howling mine even?/)
                          No mines, no. I will "buy" some more and see what I get.



                          get more arrogant wurms

                          Yeah, will try.

                          - ok

                          use fleetfoot for protection

                          Yep, done that a few times already...

                          -those with the caretaker should be enough

                          Jon Miller
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                          • I've also added a Tiger-Eye cameo to the deck. As I have discovered, it's useful against land destroyers. I have a reasonable set of cameos if you reckon any others would be useful.

                            Right, vaguely interesting cards found with the new set:

                            Wing Snare
                            Hurricane
                            Whip Silk
                            Quirion Dryad (not necessarily useful, just interesting)
                            Samite Elder
                            Gerrard's Command (at least 2 of)
                            Divine Light
                            Life/Death
                            another Pianna, Nomad Capt. (why haven't I got her in already?)
                            Piper's Melody
                            Divine Sacrament
                            Moment's Peace
                            another Pay No Heed
                            Transcendance (bizarre card!)

                            While I have no more drawing cards, I do have a lot of land-search cards, and a couple of Madness cards that I didn't really consider worth mentioning, such as Frantic Purification. I also possess 5 Mystic Familiars, which may come in useful.
                            The church is the only organisation that exists for the benefit of its non-members
                            Buy your very own 4-dimensional, non-orientable, 1-sided, zero-edged, zero-volume, genus 1 manifold immersed in 3-space!
                            All women become like their mothers. That is their tragedy. No man does. That's his.
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                            • what is your deck currently

                              Jon Miller
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                              • IMO there are some things that need to be fixed in your deck Chowlett. First of all, try to make it as close to 60 cards as you can. Consistency in getting what you want is the most important thing in a deck.
                                Second, your creature base is a tad too underpowered. You have a lot of good weenies there, but I fear the flagbearers aren't going to carry their weight in most matchups (they aren't that good as fighting creatures).

                                I'm too tired to think about the composition any further, but the cards I'd definitely eliminate from the deck are Meteor Crater and Reviving Dose. Meteor Crater is only useful when you play double-casters, and that's assuming you already have a critter with the appropriate colour on the table. It's just too limited and unstable.
                                Reviving Dose on the other hand is simply ineffective for a lifegain spell. Being a cantrip helps, but it can't hope to compete with the likes of Life Burst and Heroes' Reunion. Not that you should make any of them maindeck, as it only dilutes your offensive power without giving you any real advantage (if you like lifegain, try turbo-fog ).

                                And finally, if you are in need of spot removal, Reprisal (bury tgt creature with power >4) is usually the best option. Your creatures are very good for what they do, but stuff like Spiritmonger and Laquatus's Champion can really ruin your day.
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