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  • #61
    Originally posted by Tingkai
    There is no reason why one-third of all American dailies employ and all-white news team.


    You got that part right at least!
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Caligastia


      I think Im going to take GP's advice.
      In other words, you cannot explain yourself.

      Come on Cali, fess up. You just want to deny that racism exists. The evidence is there and it is clear and yet still you deny it.

      Answer the question.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Tingkai
        Why is it so difficult for you to accept that this study shows racism is alive and well in the newspaper industry.
        Because from what I've read, you have failed to take into account confounding factors. Correlation does not always equal causation.
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        • #64
          There are no factors other than racism.

          Theory: not enought trained minority journalsts.
          Fact: More than 25 per cent of journalism students are visible minorities.

          Theory: you can't expect a newspaper in a predominately white community to have racial parity.
          Fact: There are newspaper with an all-white news room in communities with a mixed community,

          Theory: The readership is all white.
          Fact: The parity comparison is based on readership and American newspapers have failed to achieve parity after 25 years.

          In other words, all of the excuses have been proven false.
          Golfing since 67

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          • #65
            Cali: either stand by what you said about following GP's advice or answer the question.
            Golfing since 67

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Tingkai
              Theory: not enought trained minority journalsts.
              Fact: More than 25 per cent of journalism students are visible minorities.
              I fail to see how graduation rates of 25% allow for every newsroom to achieve racial parity in thier hiring of new journalists.
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • #67
                Originally posted by DinoDoc


                I fail to see how graduation rates of 25% allow for every newsroom to achieve racial parity in thier hiring of new journalists.
                The estimate by the Boston Globe is that given the minority make up of journalism schools, parity should have been reached in five years.

                By the way, every year more than 80,000 people graduate from journalsim schools.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Tingkai


                  In other words, you cannot explain yourself.

                  Come on Cali, fess up. You just want to deny that racism exists. The evidence is there and it is clear and yet still you deny it.

                  Answer the question.
                  Ok, I dont have anything better to do right now anyway.

                  I dont deny racism exists, but your "evidence" consists of numbers and statistics. There is no reason to believe that the high number of white people in the media is due mainly to racism. Its not consistent for you to automatically attribute this to racism, then when I bring up the point about the NBA having high numbers of black players automatically dismiss the idea that this could be due to racism. I personally dont think racism is a factor in the NBA, I am just pointing out your inconsistency.

                  In what way is it easier to show merit in sports than in the workplace? Also this is irrelevant, because if someone is going to choose on the basis of race it doesnt matter how good you are if you are the wrong race.
                  ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Caligastia


                    Ok, I dont have anything better to do right now anyway.

                    I dont deny racism exists, but your "evidence" consists of numbers and statistics. There is no reason to believe that the high number of white people in the media is due mainly to racism. Its not consistent for you to automatically attribute this to racism, then when I bring up the point about the NBA having high numbers of black players automatically dismiss the idea that this could be due to racism. I personally dont think racism is a factor in the NBA, I am just pointing out your inconsistency.

                    In what way is it easier to show merit in sports than in the workplace? Also this is irrelevant, because if someone is going to choose on the basis of race it doesnt matter how good you are if you are the wrong race.
                    Oh come on! It is easy to measure merit in sports. There are stats galore measuring every aspect of the game.

                    Yes, my evidence consists of specific numbers. In other words, there is objective proof of racism.

                    You just don't want to admit that racism exists even when there is clear evidence that it does exist.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Tingkai


                      Oh come on! It is easy to measure merit in sports. There are stats galore measuring every aspect of the game.

                      Yes, my evidence consists of specific numbers. In other words, there is objective proof of racism.

                      You just don't want to admit that racism exists even when there is clear evidence that it does exist.
                      It gets boring for me when you dont listen to what I say. You seem a trifle dim.
                      ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                      ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Caligastia


                        It gets boring for me when you dont listen to what I say.
                        What have you said other than "It's not true. it's not true, it's not true."

                        Why is don't you just admit the fact that there is clear evidence of racism. You can't be that obtuse to admit that you're wrong. Well, actually, you probably can't admit you're wrong.
                        Golfing since 67

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                        • #72
                          By the way, I'll leave you with the last word for the night cause it's 1 a.m. here. But don't worry I'll check the thread later.
                          Golfing since 67

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                          • #73
                            Tingkai, have you ever seen the draft? Have you ever seen those kids after a few years? Over half are usually insurance salesman and realtors, or in trouble with the law. Numbers aren't always the true measure in sports. If you follow football you may know that Saturday is the draft. Over the past few years the Bears have drafted Rashaan Salaam (who might've been good if not for the pot smoking), Curtis Enis (who retired after three years because of knee injuries) and Cade McNown, who for some reason just sucks ass. All of these guys were supposed to perform because they did in college. I repeat, numbers aren't everything.
                            I never know their names, But i smile just the same
                            New faces...Strange places,
                            Most everything i see, Becomes a blur to me
                            -Grandaddy, "The Final Push to the Sum"

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Tingkai
                              What have you said other than "It's not true. it's not true, it's not true."

                              Why is don't you just admit the fact that there is clear evidence of racism. You can't be that obtuse to admit that you're wrong. Well, actually, you probably can't admit you're wrong.
                              Listen -- no one said, "It's not true, it's not true!" They've simply said that the statistics you've provided is not the end all to be all. You seem to be the only one in this thread unable to accpet that.

                              Can you accept that maybe minorities aren't as interested in being in journalism as caucasians? Could that possibly be a factor? By the same token, can you accpet that maybe caucasians aren't as interested in being in the NBA?

                              You are a politically correct wrecking ball run amok.

                              If a newpaper had more than a racial parity of minorities would you then be arguing that they are discriminating against whites as well? Does every thing have to be in exact harmony, or else its a symptom of racism? Where does your madness end?

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by WhiteElephants


                                Listen -- no one said, "It's not true, it's not true!" They've simply said that the statistics you've provided is not the end all to be all. You seem to be the only one in this thread unable to accpet that.

                                Can you accept that maybe minorities aren't as interested in being in journalism as caucasians? Could that possibly be a factor? By the same token, can you accpet that maybe caucasians aren't as interested in being in the NBA?

                                You are a politically correct wrecking ball run amok.

                                If a newpaper had more than a racial parity of minorities would you then be arguing that they are discriminating against whites as well? Does every thing have to be in exact harmony, or else its a symptom of racism? Where does your madness end?


                                Thanks for saying what I couldnt be bothered to.
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                                ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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