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**DaShi** · April 19, 2002, 10:40

Originally posted by Asher
Affirmative Action: Reverse Racism at its finest.

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Even Urban Ranger could do it.

Better PM me, I don't read responses.

**Tingkai** · April 19, 2002, 11:37

Look folks, this study is a strong indication that affirmative action is an urban legend.

More than 1,000 companies have claimed that they have had affirmative action programs for 25 years and yet a large number still have all-white newsrooms. The majority have not reached parity. Of the top 100 newspapers, only seven have achieved parity.

Whether AA is right or wrong is not the point. The real point is that a lot of companies claim to have AA programs when in reality they do not have these programs.

If you can't understand that then you're in denial

**Tingkai** · April 19, 2002, 11:41

Originally posted by GP

I guess they decided to stick with merit hiring! Oh darn!

Out of 1,448 daily papers surveyed 530 reported no minority journalists. That's one-third of all newspapers.

That ain't hiring on merit. That's racism.

**Caligastia** · April 19, 2002, 11:44

Originally posted by Tingkai
Look folks, this study is a strong indication that affirmative action is an urban legend.

More than 1,000 companies have claimed that they have had affirmative action programs for 25 years and yet a large number still have all-white newsrooms. The majority have not reached parity. Of the top 100 newspapers, only seven have achieved parity.

Whether AA is right or wrong is not the point. The real point is that a lot of companies claim to have AA programs when in reality they do not have these programs.

They probably claim to have AA programs because if they admitted to not having one they would be labeled as "racist". This just goes to show that - like the drug war - you cant stop people from doing what they want by making laws. I guess AA isnt law in the same way as drug laws are, but you could say it is an unwritten law.(if you know what I mean)

**DinoDoc** · April 19, 2002, 11:45

Originally posted by Tingkai
The majority have not reached parity. Of the top 100 newspapers, only seven have achieved parity.

I'm not suprised. Quotas are illegal and have been for quite sometime. Have you considered the possibility that there is simply not enough qualified minority journalist for every newsroom to reach parity?

**Caligastia** · April 19, 2002, 11:45

Originally posted by Tingkai

That ain't hiring on merit. That's racism.

As I said before:

I wouldnt necessarily conclude its due to racism. Not saying that racism isnt a factor, but how big of a factor is it? As GP and Dalgetti pointed out, the NBA has by far a majority of black players. Would you say that this is in any way due to racism?

**Tingkai** · April 19, 2002, 11:53

The real question is: Why is it so difficult for you to accept that this study shows racism is alive and well in the newspaper industry.

You seem perfectly happy with the idea that there is discrimination against white basketball players and yet when there is evidence of racism against visible minorities, your response is "I wouldn't necessarily conclude its [sic] due to racism."

My conclusion is that when there is a suggestion of racism against whites, you're all happy to accept it. But when there is strong evidence of racism against visible minorities, you close your eyes and say "not true, not true, not true."

**TCO** · April 19, 2002, 12:02

Cal, don't waste your time. We've had this discussion before and even the AA propenents made more sense than Tingkai. I think he is a little slow...doesn't understand the point that numbers do not mean racism. Look at his comment on the NBA. He thinks I really suspect racism there. What an idiot.

Let him go...

**Caligastia** · April 19, 2002, 12:07

Originally posted by GP
Cal, don't waste your time. We've had this discussion before and even the AA propenents made more sense than Tingkai. I think he is a little slow...doesn't understand the point that numbers do not mean racism. Look at his comment on the NBA. He thinks I really suspect racism there. What an idiot.

Let him go...

**Caligastia** · April 19, 2002, 12:10

Originally posted by Tingkai
You seem perfectly happy with the idea that there is discrimination against white basketball players and yet when there is evidence of racism against visible minorities, your response is "I wouldn't necessarily conclude its [sic] due to racism."

I never said there was discrimination against white basketball players, I asked if you thought there was. You havent really answered.

**Tingkai** · April 19, 2002, 12:12

Originally posted by DinoDoc

I'm not suprised. Quotas are illegal and have been for quite sometime. Have you considered the possibility that there is simply not enough qualified minority journalist for every newsroom to reach parity?

Well if quotas are illegal, and I don't know if that is true, then AA does not exist.

The newspaper industry has had 25 years to train minority journalist and yet a third of all dailies have not hired a minority reporter.

**Tingkai** · April 19, 2002, 12:17

Originally posted by Caligastia

I never said there was discrimination against white basketball players, I asked if you thought there was. You havent really answered.

And you haven't answered my question.

As for your question, I doubt it. These days it is very hard to make a case that there is racism in sports simply because it is very easy to measure merit in sports.

I don't know of any white basketball player who has fantastic stats in say college, but who has not been taken by an NBA team. But then I'm not a basketball fan. If you know of any white college player with decent stats, but who could not make it into the NBA then I would have to wonder if racism was a factor.

So I've answered your question. How about answering my question: Why is it so difficult for you to accept that this study shows racism is alive and well in the newspaper industry.

**Caligastia** · April 19, 2002, 12:19

Originally posted by Tingkai

So I've answered your question. How about answering my question: Why is it so difficult for you to accept that this study shows racism is alive and well in the newspaper industry.

I think Im going to take GP's advice.

**Solly** · April 19, 2002, 12:28

"Why is it so difficult for you to accept that this study shows racism is alive and well in the newspaper industry"

Because there are other factors to consider first. You're making a wild accusation without thoroughly examining these other factors.

Posters in this thread have done you a favour and pointed out some factors which could lead to the situation where minorities are "under-represented". Read their posts rather than just seeing them as material to argue against.

**Tingkai** · April 19, 2002, 12:29

Originally posted by Boddington's
"Why is it so difficult for you to accept that this study shows racism is alive and well in the newspaper industry"

Because there are other factors to consider first. You're making a wild accusation without thoroughly examining these other factors.

Posters in this thread have done you a favour and pointed out some factors which could lead to the situation where minorities are "under-represented". Read their posts rather than just seeing them as material to argue against.

All of the excuses made by other posters have been shown to be incorrect.

There is no reason why one-third of all American dailies employ and all-white news team.

The only reasonable explanation is racism.

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