Apolyton season 3: The flag wars

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Thanks, Siro!

No, thank you!

Imran, I thought you already admitted that Sharon wasn't the cause to this?

[MrFun]

Mad Monk, that's a beautiful flag you're waving.

[LTEC!]

Brought my flag!

[Jon Miller]

I don't have flag

Jon Miller

[DanS]

Flags are cheap compared to the Almighty Dollar.

Carry On.

[Az]

hey, I have a flag too!

[DarkCloud]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
And there's me thinking this pathetic flag-waving is the cause of the problem, erecting artificial barriers, crapping on other people to benefit oneself. It's ridiculous

That's why my avatar has BOTH flags

[MrFun]

Originally posted by DarkCloud


That's why my avatar has BOTH flags

That just means you're not capable of forming a legitimate opinion on ME issues.

[axi]

FREEDOM TO PALESTINE!

You guys are unbelievable! I am 3-4 without access to the internet and when I finally get to browse Apolyton, expecting to see hevy criticism of the Zionist aggression, I only see support! Shame to those who support the Zionist fascists!

I will display the Israel flag as my avatar for about a week, to show my support.

Your support to the murders and the concentration camps?

Should the United States have never taken an offensive against the terrorists in Afghanistan??

Exactly!!

As for MtG:

I put mine up because of the constant slamming of Israel by the same people who rationalize and excuse Palestinian terrorism and arab agression. This way, my Israeli friends here and elsewhere know that some people still stand by them.

Especially when we have three guys here (don't know if Yoav and Taurus post here at all anymore, and I don't know if Mark is beyond military service age) who are very close to service age in the IDF, and it may well be their asses on the line, and certainly a lot of their friends.

Since I know you enough to know your intelligence, I am really surprised of how much deluded you are.

1. In this forum, there is mysteriously no slamming of Israel by anyone except a few brave souls. Instead there is constant slamming of the Palestinians by people who are indirectly responsible for their demise (Americans).

2. Against people who are commiting the moral crime of giving an excuse to the Zionist aggression, by primarily blaming Arafat and the PLO for the situation (Americans) or by keeping an "equal distances" policy between the Israeli occupation and the Indifada (Europeans), openly declaring that THE INDIFADA SHOULD WIN BY ALL MEANS and that any Palestinian who sacrifices his life for his people's liberty is a HERO and not a terrorist, becomes a must. individual terrorism is no excuse for state terrorism, never is, never was.

3. Since you worry alot about our friends in Isreal, let me ask you this: how come we don't have any Palestinian friends in Apolyton. Well, I guess Palestinians don't have computers and don't play civ; they are lucky to have a proper house and water supply. As for my own accord, I know a few Palestinian students in my university and I care more about them and their families than about the idiots that frequent this site, believing that life is a big game of civ.

4. Siro, Eli, Yoav, Taurus, Dalgetti, etc, had better refuse to serve the IDF beyond the green line, as hundrends of their fellow countrymen have done. This is an unjust war and it is a shame to risk your neck in order to make some Palestinian kid your enemy for life.

Oh - you mean a visit to a holy site of his religion? Yes, nobody should have that freedom. And the poor, innocent, peaceloving Palestinians hadn't been doing anything prior to that, no, of course not. They were really cracking down on Hamas, and doing everything they could to abide by the terms they agreed to at Oslo.

There had been no attacks between 1996 and 2000. The Palestinian organisations started attacking after they figured iut that there wasn't going to be any free Palestinian state after all and that Arafat was doing nothing about it. This was Israel's fault, wasn't it?

[Az]

There had been no attacks between 1996 and 2000. The Palestinian organisations started attacking after they figured iut that there wasn't going to be any free Palestinian state after all and that Arafat was doing nothing about it. This was Israel's fault, wasn't it?

there were attacks. less of them but still ...


just shows me how brainflushed you are.

Sure your palestinian friends will get your support. I guess they're also great marxist revolutionaries. But if you see their background, the culture that they consider themselves part of , the terrible things it does on a daily basis to tens of millions of people , you maybe will change your mind. But I guess not. Your already trapped. Go ahead now.

[axi]

But if you see their background, the culture that they consider themselves part of , the terrible things it does on a daily basis to tens of millions of people , you maybe will change your mind. But I guess not. Your already trapped. Go ahead now.

And what do you say about the culture of the Hagana and the Irgun?

[DinoDoc]

Re: FREEDOM TO PALESTINE!

Originally posted by axi
2. Against people who are commiting the moral crime of giving an excuse to the Zionist aggression, by primarily blaming Arafat and the PLO for the situation (Americans)

If an army of around 30,000 armed men is unable to even try to clamp down on terrorism, what good is Arafat to the peace process?

openly declaring that THE INDIFADA SHOULD WIN BY ALL MEANS and that any Palestinian who sacrifices his life for his people's liberty is a HERO and not a terrorist,

What an evil and ignorant philosophy you seem to cling to in the face of basic morality! The Palestinian practice of human sacrifice has only made things progressively worse for thier people, has not sped up the end of the occupation, and profanes the religion they claim to hold sacred above all else. A suicide bomber in a civilian area is a murderer, nothing more.

There had been no attacks between 1996 and 2000.

That's an out and out lie.

[Eli]

There had been no attacks between 1996 and 2000. The Palestinian organisations started attacking after they figured iut that there wasn't going to be any free Palestinian state after all and that Arafat was doing nothing about it. This was Israel's fault, wasn't it?

So, according to you, when Benjamin "I will not give more than 13% of the territories" Netanyahu was Prime Minister the Palestinians thought that they will get a state and not attacked, but when Ehud "take it all" Barak was Prime Minister they realised that they're not going to get a state and opened fire?

[axi]

What an evil and ignorant philosophy you seem to cling to in the face of basic morality! The Palestinian practice of human sacrifice has only made things progressively worse for thier people, has not sped up the end of the occupation, and profanes the religion they claim to hold sacred above all else. A suicide bomber in a civilian area is a murderer, nothing more.

The fact that you and I don't support suicide bombing doesn't mean that we should support the oppression of the occupation. Yet you have part of this guilt by letting your government support the oppresor state as I have, by not pressing my govt enough to take some action against the oppressor state.

As for the bombers themselves, I personally find them much more heroic than the average Israeli or American soldier who are murdering civilians from the safety of their vehicles. These people who blow themselves up have reached the dead end of self sacrifice for a reason: their people are suffering and are helpless against an all-powerful opponent. Their targetting of civilians is of course wrong but it is no worse than what you Americans have done in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and elsewhere. The only difference is that they fight for a just cause, while the Isrealis and the Americans are fighting for domination over other peoples.

[DinoDoc]

I notice that you didn't touch the part about Arafat's 30,000 strong army. Or your lie about there being no terrorist attacks between 1996 and 2000. It's OK. You don't have to defend the indefensible if you don't want to.

Originally posted by axi
The fact that you and I don't support suicide bombing doesn't mean that we should support the oppression of the occupation.

You just said that you supported suicide bombers targeting civilians. Something about seeing them a heroic or somesuch other nonsense.

As for the bombers themselves, I personally find them much more heroic

That's the problem I have with your POV. You persist in seeing out and out murder of civilians as being justified on somesort of cosmic level. I just can not grasp it because the act seems to serve no useful purpose and by any objective measure has not sped up the end of the occupation.