Apolyton season 3: The flag wars

[Goingonit]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Ah, the Manx flag (the three legged one).

That's the triskelion, and old Celtic symbol. Apparently, if it's pointing the other way, it's a symbol of hostility.

'The triskelion (from the Greek "three-legged") is one of the oldest symbols known to mankind. The earliest representations of it were found in prehistoric rock carvings in northern Italy. It also appears on Greek vases and coins from the 6th and 8th centuries BC., and was revered by Norse and Sicilian peoples. The Sicilian version has a representation of the head of Medusa in the center. The Manx people believe that the triskelion came from Scandinavia. According to Norse mythology, the triskelion was a symbol of the movement of the sun through the heavens.'

[mactbone]

Yes, well, I'm pretty sure they didn't have SPURS back then

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison


I don't agree. From the way I look at it, the Israeli state/military are acting like a bunch of thugs, and have done ever since the commencement of Sharon's leadership.

And how exactly did Sharon make the political comeback of a lifetime? Because despite the efforts of Rabin and Barak, the Palestinians kept ratcheting up the inflamatory rhetoric, looking the other way or actively working with Hamas other terror groups, and Arafat decided that since negotiation had got him as far as Oslo, just a little violent push would make Israel give more. It backfired. Sharon is a response to the Palestinian intifdada II, not the cause of it.

When you corner an animal, it is going to fight back more viciously than ever.

The animal was already fighting.

Israel's actions are throwing fuel on the fire, and is certainly not going to resolve the issue.

Oh, and let's of course not mention the poor innocent victim Palestinian actions - they haven't done a thing, it's all that big bad Zionist Entity's fault. If it had collapsed in 1948, 1967, or 10973, the Palestinians wouldn't have any Israeli civilians to murder.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Sharon is a response to the Palestinian intifdada II, not the cause of it.

Seeing as it started after his actions, this is a highly dubious claim to make.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Seeing as it started after his actions, this is a highly dubious claim to make.

The PLO made it. Take it up with them.

[Imran Siddiqui]

MtG isn't the PLO, as far as I know.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Oh - you mean a visit to a holy site of his religion? Yes, nobody should have that freedom. And the poor, innocent, peaceloving Palestinians hadn't been doing anything prior to that, no, of course not. They were really cracking down on Hamas, and doing everything they could to abide by the terms they agreed to at Oslo.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
MtG isn't the PLO, as far as I know.

That's correct. Your reading comprehension is getting better but it isn't up to snuff yet.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Of course if the leader of Hamas went to the Dome of the Rock with 1000 Hamas militants, Israel would say he was just worshipping like everyone else, right?

I like the double standards here.

[mactbone]

Hamas, as in the terrorist organization? Well, I think they'd be glad to have a thousand of them gift wrapped, don't you think?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yep... unfortunetly the war criminal Sharon deserves to be protected (no one thinks 1000 Israeli soldiers is a bit much?)

[mactbone]

Has there ever been an actual military tribunal or other kind of trial to determine whether he is in fact a war criminal? And if he is, wouldn't he have been arrested by now?

[MrFun]

I can accept a separate, independent Palestine state.

They just have to accept Israel's 1967 borders.

Just as Mexico has come to accept the border it has with United States from the Mexican War.

[Imran Siddiqui]

There is a reason you haven't seen Sharon travel to Europe... he would have been arrested as soon as he set foot there.

And it is hard to declare someone a war criminal... since there is no International Criminal Court. However, Europe has gone ahead and declared him as such.

Though, I'd think a general in charge of a massacre of civilians, simply because of their ethnicity, could be considered a war criminal.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
There is a reason you haven't seen Sharon travel to Europe... he would have been arrested as soon as he set foot there.

Belgium is not Europe, Imran. IIRC, that case has been thrown out as well.