Why Gay Olympics??

[General Ludd]

I'm curious as to why people who are against things such as gay pride parades and the gay games, saying that they cause segregation, typically do not care - and probably even celebrate - things like a Saint Patrick's day parade, or statutory religious holidays, among dozens of other similiar events.


Saint patrick's day doesn't breed hatred for the Irish, does it?
Christmas doesn't breed hatred against Christrians, does it?
So why does a gay Pride parade breed hatred against gays? The only answer I can think of is that it's jsut used an excuse for people to show their hatred.

[orange]

Originally posted by MrFun
First off, you do not have to use vulgar, profane language to show off your intelligence.

I tend to get angry when, after asserting my feelings on an issue, I have those feelings twisted around so that I can be called a rednecked hick who hates gays and other minorities, mainly because of how far this is from the truth.

Secondly, my mind is made up on this issue, and your mind is made up on this issue.

Reminds me of what my cousin used to say to me when we were little kids..."You believe what you believe and I belive what I believe"[/whiney kid voice]

I do not understand the need for a separate Gay Olympics, but I do support gay-oriented organizations in the communities that welcome straight allies. At least you and I can PARTIALLY agree on this issue.

I agree with an organization whose purpose is to discuss equality issues in the community (whether that community is local, on a state level, collegiate level, national level, world level...)

What I do not support is a minority group having its 'own' set of something in which the group is solely for that minority. It's the same thing as having a group of white people getting together and saying this group is only for whites. Even if a group existed that did allow or even welcome blacks asians and hispanics into the group, if you called it the "White Student Union" etc. it would be considered racist. I feel that if you call a group a "Gay student Union" it is the same thing, despite past and present hardships that Homosexuals must go through. Do I think there should be white student unions? - NO It is merely an example of how you can't have one type of elitist group based on 'pride' and another of the same principle labeled 'racist'

Since you still do not understand how the history of minority groups justifies their affirmation of their identity, I think we have run into a brick wall in this discussion.

No, I understand the past. I also understand that there are MANY groups that have undergone hardships...whites included! Are they equal? No! Is there any way to judge which group has been through the most hardships - NO So why further wedge the gap in a society that is breaking all barriers with separate groups for separate minorities?

And when you look at the history of minority groups, you will realize why white, heterosexual men have no need to affirm their identity in the same way that minority groups do.

Maybe not, but if they should start a group to be proud of who they are, without any racist connotations, it would be the same thing as gays having a gay pride group - yet they'd be looked at as racist redneck *******s. Case in point - that's what I've been labeled solely for taking the negative side of the gay games argument!!!

[Giancarlo]

Though I am against Gay olympics... I think there should be Gay/Straight Alliances in schools more often. I am also against groups that keep out others from helping, whether it be a African-American Group, or anything... it should allow other people in. That is why I disapprove of gay parades, because it increases the hatred in people's hearts which probably was minimal or not even there before. As in politics, these groups should be bipartisan, because partisan groups only split society even more and increase hatred.

Gay/Straight Alliances helps prevent many problems, however there are those people who give hell to others. The gay olympics won't accomplish anything positive.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by orange

What I do not support is a minority group having its 'own' set of something in which the group is solely for that minority. It's the same thing as having a group of white people getting together and saying this group is only for whites. Even if a group existed that did allow or even welcome blacks asians and hispanics into the group, if you called it the "White Student Union" etc. it would be considered racist. I feel that if you call a group a "Gay student Union" it is the same thing, despite past and present hardships that Homosexuals must go through. Do I think there should be white student unions? - NO It is merely an example of how you can't have one type of elitist group based on 'pride' and another of the same principle labeled 'racist'

As long as organizations that center around concerns for minority groups, welcome white, straight men, there should be no problems.

Our Black Student Union on campus welcomes white members.

Our Harbor organization, our gay-straight alliance club, (now defunctional ) welcomed straight members.

There are other examples as well. So the problem that you're speaking of does not exist as long as those organizations welcome everyone interested in the issues they're dealing with.

I was not whining about what we agree and disagree on, by the way. Clearly, you're entitled to your own opinion if after considering my arguments, you do not find them convincing enough. And vice versa.

[orange]

Originally posted by MrFun
As long as organizations that center around concerns for minority groups, welcome white, straight men, there should be no problems.

Then why would there be a major issue if a "White Student Union" formed, even if it was not exclusive to whites?

Our Black Student Union on campus welcomes white members.

What can a black student union do that a normal student union can't?

Our Harbor organization, our gay-straight alliance club, (now defunctional ) welcomed straight members.

Gay-straight alliance is different - its purpose, by the name, is to bridge the gap between homosexuals and heterosexuals, and presumably discusses that issue in depth. That's not what I'm talking about, in fact...I think that's a good thing.

There are other examples as well. So the problem that you're speaking of does not exist as long as those organizations welcome everyone interested in the issues they're dealing with.

Use the Gay Games scenario and show me how the above fits? What 'issues' does a "Gay Games" deal with? Especially if it is solely for homosexual participants? And if it's ok to have a "Gay Games" why isn't it ok to have a "Heterosexual Games"?

Everything in America has been desegregated, and I am glad for that, so why now do minorities want to re-segregate everything?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by orange


Then why would there be a major issue if a "White Student Union" formed, even if it was not exclusive to whites?



What can a black student union do that a normal student union can't?



Gay-straight alliance is different - its purpose, by the name, is to bridge the gap between homosexuals and heterosexuals, and presumably discusses that issue in depth. That's not what I'm talking about, in fact...I think that's a good thing.



Use the Gay Games scenario and show me how the above fits? What 'issues' does a "Gay Games" deal with? Especially if it is solely for homosexual participants? And if it's ok to have a "Gay Games" why isn't it ok to have a "Heterosexual Games"?

Everything in America has been desegregated, and I am glad for that, so why now do minorities want to re-segregate things?

I was not whining about what we agree and disagree on, by the way. Clearly, you're entitled to your own opinion if after considering my arguments, you do not find them convincing enough. And vice versa.

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Ok, I'm going to use a mega-phone this time, Orange.

F O R T H E M I L L I O N T H T I M E I D O N O T A G R E E W I T H H A V I N G S E P A R A T E G A Y O L Y M P I C S!!!!!!!!!!!

God, aren't you happy with at least a partial agreement, man, or are you just going psycho with the other issues connected with this??

[orange]

Originally posted by MrFun


Ok, I'm going to use a mega-phone this time, Orange.

F O R T H E M I L L I O N T H T I M E I D O N O T A G R E E W I T H H A V I N G S E P A R A T E G A Y O L Y M P I C S!!!!!!!!!!!

God, aren't you happy with at least a partial agreement, man, or are you just going psycho with the other issues connected with this??

Sorry, between this and the Slavery thread I can't remember what you support and what you don't support

Ok, but you can still respond to everything but the gay games part. They are, in my opinion, valid points.

[Spec]

Originally posted by orange


Sorry, between this and the Slavery thread I can't remember what you support and what you don't support

Ok, but you can still respond to everything but the gay games part. They are, in my opinion, valid points.

Yes, as much as Mr.Fun points. I guess you 2 could never come to terms with this subject.
Personnally I think you are both right......a bit to the extrem on both parts but you have valid points.

Spec.