SABOTAGE on Greek - Albanian Borders

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Vetlegion

Originally posted by faded glory
Isnt there a city in greece called Macedonia? (Thats where Alexander the Great was from) And not the nation of Macedonia on the map today.
Im confused on that one.

Faded, Macedonians are Greek. Macedonia is Northern Greece. The people of FYROM are slavs.

Thew population of the area has been very much mixed up in the 2300 years since then: Romans, Dacians, Vlachs, Goths, Turks, Serbs, Bulgars etc.

This multitude of ethnicities gave birth to the "salade macedoine".

[faded glory]

Damit paiktas. Are you talking about a greek province? Or the country of macedonia? Capitol Skopje? They are all Slavic.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by faded glory
Damit paiktas. Are you talking about a greek province? Or the country of macedonia? Capitol Skopje? They are all Slavic.

faded, the country you know as "macedonia" I call it FYROM (=former yugoslav republic of macedonia".) FYROM is its official name. That's the one wwhich is slavic and has Skopjie as its capital.

Macedonia is the name of a northern province of Greece. (where Alexander the Great came from as you said)

[faded glory]

oh ok. I just wonder why FRYOM (ya i know...but they like to be called macedonia) took the macedonia name. Possibly to dupe western history? After all until now.......I thought Alexander the Great was from the COUNTRY of Macedonia. Not the greek province. Stupid balkans.....


Anyway. Isnt Mark G in Macedonia...(the greek one )

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by faded glory
oh ok. I just wonder why FRYOM (ya i know...but they like to be called macedonia) took the macedonia name. Possibly to dupe western history? After all until now.......I thought Alexander the Great was from the COUNTRY of Macedonia. Not the greek province. Stupid balkans.....

Well the people who live there are slavs that have become detached from the other slavs and use a language which is a bulgarian dialect.
They wanted to create a country of their own and since a part of FYROM was called macedonia looong before they got there they took up that name and called themselves macedonian.

Anyway. Isnt Mark G in Macedonia...(the greek one )

Yup. Haven't you seen his avatar?

[KrazyHorse]

The ancients certainly didn't see Macedonians as Greek...

Philip was seen as a foreign conqueror by most of the city-states.

[axi]

Paiktis, are you sure you're not a DL of Markos?

That Macedonian issue is really tiring me up.

What I know of Macedonians:

- They pronounce their L's long.
- They mix the genitive with the accusative.
- They believe that the only feta is "cheese" and all others are "kaseri" (sorry I don't know the translation)
- They eat gyros in sandwitch loafs and not in pittas.
- They are fond of oriental sweets with surup.
- They like their women fat and good cooks.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
The ancients certainly didn't see Macedonians as Greek...

Philip was seen as a foreign conqueror by most of the city-states.

An ancient politician/philosopher a damn Athenian forgot his name said that Philip was a barbarian and his son too so that the rest of Greece would not accept macedonian hegemony over athenian one.

He failed.

Here are some "ancient quotes" that prove that greeks were athenian, theban, macedonian etc

Aetolians, Acarnanians, Macedonians, men of the same language"
T. Livius XXXI, 29, 15 (Loeb, E.T. Sage) ,
"And she conceived and bore to Zeus, who delights in the thunderbolt, two sons, Magnes and Macedon,
rejoicing in horses, who dwell round about Pieria and Olympus."
(Hesiod, Catalogues of Women and Eoiae 3 [Loeb, H.G. Evelyn-White])


"For in the days of king Deucalion it (i.e. a Makednian tribe) inhabited the land of Phthiotis, then in the time of Dorus, son of Hellen, the country called Histiaean, under Ossa and Olympus; driven by the Cadmeians from this Histiaean country it settled about Pindus in the parts called Macedonian; thence again it migrated to Dryopia, and at last came from Dryopia into Peloponnesus, where it took the name of Dorian."
(Herod. I, 56, 3 [Loeb, A.D. Godley])

"Tell your king (Xerxes), who sent you, how his Greek viceroy (Alexander I) of Macedonia has received you hospitably."
(Herod. V, 20, 4 [Loeb])

"Now, that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks, as they themselves say, I myself chance to know."
(Herod. V, 22, 1 [Loeb])

"The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia... Alexander, the father of Perdiccas,
and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos"
Thucydides 99,3 (Loeb, C F Smith)

"But Alexander (I), proving himself to be an Argive, was judged to be a Greek;
so he contended in the furlong race and ran a dead heat for first place."
(Herod. V, 22, 2)

"The Peloponnesians that were with the fleet were ... the Lacedaimonians, ... the Corinthians, ...
the Sicyonians, ... the Epidaurians, ... the Troezenians, ... the people of Hermione there; all these,
except the people of Hermione, were of Dorian and Macedonian stock and had last come from
Erineus and Pindus and the Dryopian region."
(Herod. VIII, 43 {Loeb])

"Three brothers of the lineage of Temenos came as banished men from Argos to Illyria,
Gauanes and Aeropos and Perdiccas."
(Herod. VIII, 137, 1 [Loeb])

"For I (Alexander I) myself am by ancient descent a Greek,
and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery."
(Herod. IX, 45, 2 [Loeb])

"The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia ... Alexander I, the father of Perdiccas (II), and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos."
(Thuc. II, 99, 3 [Loeb, C. F. Smith])

"Argos is the land of your fathers."
(Isoc., To Philip, 32 (Loeb, G. Norlin])

"It is your privilege, as one who has been blessed with untrammeled freedom,
to consider all Hellas your fatherland, as did the founder of your race."
(Isoc., To Philip, 127 [Loeb])

" ... all men will be grateful to you: the Hellenes for your kindness to them and the rest of the nations,
if by your hands they are delivered from barbaric despotism and are brought under the protection of Hellas."
(Isoc., To Philip, 154 [Loeb])

"This is a sworn treaty made between us, Hannibal ... and Xenophanes the Athenian ...
in the presence of all the gods who possess Macedonia and the rest of Greece."
(Pol. Histories, VII, 9, 4 [Loeb, W.R. Paton])

"How highly should we honor the Macedonians, who for the greater part of their lives never cease from fighting with the barbarians for the sake of the security of Greece? For who is not aware that Greece would have constantly stood in the greater danger, had we not been fenced by the Macedonians and the honorable ambition of their kings?"
(Pol. Hist., IX, 35, 2 [Loeb])

"And Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece."
(Strab. VII, Frg. 9 [Loeb, H.L. Jones])

"He sent to Athens three hundred Persian panoplies to be set up to Athena in the acropolis;
he ordered this inscription to be attached: Alexander, son of Philip, and the Greeks,
save the Lacedaimonians, set up these spoils from the barbarians dwelling in Asia."
(Arr. I, 16, 7 [Loeb, P. A. Brunt])

"Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the rest of Greece and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury; ... (and) I have been appointed leader of the Greeks ..."
(Arr., Anab. Alex. II, 14, 4)

"They say that these were the tribes collected by Amphiktyon himself in the Greek Assembly: ... the Macedonians joined and the entire Phocian race ... In my day there were thirty members: six each from Nikopolis, Macedonia and Thessaly..."
(Paus. Phokis VIII, 2 & 4 [Loeb, W. Jones])

"Belistiche, a woman from the coast of Macedonia, won with the pair of foals ... at the hundred and twenty-ninth Olympics."
(Paus. Eleia VIII, 11 [Loeb])

"Yet through Alexander (the Great) Bactria and the Caucasus learned to revere the gods of the Greeks ... Alexander established more than seventy cities among savage tribes, and sowed all Asia with Greek magistracies ... Egypt would not have its Alexandria, nor Mesopotamia its Seleucia, nor Sogdiana its Prophthasia, nor India its Bucephalia, nor the Caucasus a Greek city, for by the founding of cities in these places savagery was extinguished and the worse element, gaining familiarity with the better, changed under its influence."
(Plut. Moralia. On the Fortune of Alexander, I, 328D, 329A Loeb, F.C. Babbitt)

[KrazyHorse]

Blah. Why do you ruin my trolls with bloody facts?

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by axi
Paiktis, are you sure you're not a DL of Markos?

That Macedonian issue is really tiring me up.

What I know of Macedonians:

- They pronounce their L's long.
- They mix the genitive with the accusative.
- They believe that the only feta is "cheese" and all others are "kaseri" (sorry I don't know the translation)
- They eat gyros in sandwitch loafs and not in pittas.
- They are fond of oriental sweets with surup.
- They like their women fat and good cooks.

(no he is not talking about the fyromians )


another thing is that they pronounce pasatebos some way different

(oohhh Markos is going to kill us )

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Blah. Why do you ruin my trolls with bloody facts?

I'm in a troll destructive mood (besides I had the quotes ready )

[VetLegion]

Anyway. Isnt Mark G in Macedonia...(the greek one )

nonono, he is in FTROG (Future Turkish Republic of Greece), but in a city that is a natural sea-port for Macedonia (what Greeks call FYROM, because of the 'arguments' paiktis22 has ready to copy-paste )

I know it is a little complicated at first, but you ll get the hang of it faded, just dont give up on history of the Balkans

[KrazyHorse]

Now that's a troll-and-a-half.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by VetLegion


nonono, he is in FTROG (Future Turkish Republic of Greece), but in a city that is a natural sea-port for Macedonia (what Greeks call FYROM, because of the 'arguments' paiktis22 has ready to copy-paste )

I know it is a little complicated at first, but you ll get the hang of it faded, just dont give up on history of the Balkans

IGNORE HIM faded, he's a croat he tries to confuse you . His "country" was just born, it's not a real country yet

Besides in a couple of years from now... RUSSIA, RUSSIA

[Bereta_Eder]

cheapshot croat BTW