SABOTAGE on Greek - Albanian Borders

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW don't you know the myth of the Narcisos?

The young male who was so enamored with his own image that he stared at it day and night on the reflaction of a calm water lake?

When in a cresendo of self admiration, he bent down to kiss his reflection on the water, he drawn.

Better let red_John hear about this ...

In any case homosexuality of ancient greeks might also have been a huge admiration of THEMSELVES. Narcisism and homosexuality may go hand in hand.

Mybey it wa predominatly about narcisism and admiration of oneself.
I haven't studied it, it is just a thought.


BTW this myth is where the word Narcisism comes from.
Around 80% of english words have their roots in greek.

[Keygen]

Originally posted by Lars-E

I thought it was courtesans. They were trained on the island of Lesbos where they got educated in music, conversation, etc. There they turned lesbian due to lack of men and their education was money out the window.

Where do you read stuff like that?
Prostitutes existed in Greece since the beggining of its history. Lesbos might have been a politistical center for what, half a century? And the only famous ancient Greek lesbian was Sapfo. But of cource, for a troll like you since a cheek is lesbian then all are I bet that Norwegian cheeks would have no problem to do a lick to each other That's why I like Scandinavian cheeks

Originally posted by Lars-E
Greeks seemed to be fond of young boys as well. Nudeolympics was popular. Something for modern times? Go Greeks!

Again the couple of references of a couple of poets for their personal pedophilia is turned into a mass Greek phenomenon

Let me tell you what we all south European beleive for you northern "male". You all are gays!!! Why do you think your cheeks visit Greece so often?

Besides Detreu (spell?) was not a Greek

Yeah, ancient Greeks felt no same to run with their balls out
Something like you don't same to walk in the dirty roads without shoes

[Lars-E]

But the Olympics, like most things Greeks, was about the admiration (hey I remembered the word!) of all things beautiful.

If you are interested I recocmend a comparative study between the anceint greeks and the ancient jews in what regards aesthetisc and austerity.
It is really interesting to see. The hedonistic savoury way of life of greeks and the austerity, retained, disciplined and dare I say "spartan" way of life of jews.
Very intereting comparison.

Spartan Jews, ok.. What about the Spartans? And yes give a reference to the study, please. I'm more interested in parallelling Roman and Greek mythology tho. The Romans borrowed alot from the cultural nation of Greece. Theater, dance?, litterature, recital (remember Nero: he was hailed in Greece Due to fear I think. Funny thing about him BTW: He could carry on for hours performing and "theatering": Ppl got so bored they pretended to die in the audience and were carried away ), rhetoric, and on and on.

Morality back then has little to do with today's morality which is predominatly based on Christian ethics.

I thunk so:

Acts17:16-
While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, he was greatly distressed to see that the city was full of idols. 17So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there. 18A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection. 19Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting? 20You are bringing some strange ideas to our ears, and we want to know what they mean." 21(All the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas.)
22Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: "Men of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious.

Are the Greeks as religious today as when Paul visited almost 2000 years ago? And is this now channeled thru the Orthodox church with all it's icons (read idols, see first verse)?

And why are you so religious? Has to do with your history I guess and search for wisdom. Platon's ideaworld and similiar thinking must have prepared the ground for the missionary trips of Paul and others..

About homosexuality the majority of ancient greeks did frown upon this preferance. But it was a democracy... I find male physic unnatractive. But I can't impose my views on other

I thought homosexuality was prevalent back then..

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Lars-E

Spartan Jews,

spartan jews.. yes, as a figure of speach.

ok.. What about the Spartans?

their society contrasted sharply with this of other greeks.

And yes give a reference to the study, please.

unfortunately I can't do it now. I come back for this later.

I'm more interested in parallelling Roman and Greek mythology tho.

most roman copying was a bad, degraded reproduction of greek deeds. Be this philosophy arts or religion and to some extend language.
I am not interested in that subject very much. romans became just cruder bad copies of greeks in many ways.

Acts17:16-
While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, he was greatly distressed to see that the city was full of idols. 17So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there. 18A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection. 19Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting? 20You are bringing some strange ideas to our ears, and we want to know what they mean." 21(All the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas.)
22Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: "Men of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious.

I am sceptical about getting the bible at face value. Also some things got again lost in the translation from the original greek text.

About talking oh yes you better believe it There even were special beautiful marble open space accomodations that were built for one and only reason: discussing. This is very well kept up with modern greeks too I assure you

The continuous discussion and exchange of ideas is what led, according to some historical analysts, to the greatness of the greek thought. But that's a huge topic.

Are the Greeks as religious today as when Paul visited almost 2000 years ago? And is this now channeled thru the Orthodox church with all it's icons (read idols, see first verse)?

you wouldn;t believe how many ancient, pagan traditions and ceremonies have been passed on to orthodoxy. In many ways orthodoxy is a condinuation of the dodecathean Gods.

The "latreia" (faith worship) wasn't brutally interrupted and then changed to christianity as some claim. It transcended into orthodoxy.
Verry interesting to compare Poseidon with Saint Nicolaos(=Guardian of Sailors) for example in both ancient and modern Greece - the customs - the folklore etc. You'll find an astounishingly large number of similarities.

And why are you so religious? Has to do with your history I guess and search for wisdom.

it has to do with byzantium where nation and religion became largely interlinked.
Today religion is interlinked with culture in many ways.
For example I am not religious but orthodoxy is a large part of my culture. (ceremonies are also seen as part of that cutlure).

Platon's ideaworld and similiar thinking must have prepared the ground for the missionary trips of Paul and others..

yes and particuarly it was the school of the stoic philosophers. Many of Christ's teachings are repetitions of the stoics.

I thought homosexuality was prevalent back then..

Nope. That is a pupolar misconception though. I;m not sure why. Maybe because it was deemed peculiar by wetsern scholars?

[Lars-E]

Originally posted by Keygen
Where do you read stuff like that?
Prostitutes existed in Greece since the beggining of its history. Lesbos might have been a politistical center for what, half a century? And the only famous ancient Greek lesbian was Sapfo. But of cource, for a troll like you since a cheek is lesbian then all are I bet that Norwegian cheeks would have no problem to do a lick to each other That's why I like Scandinavian cheeks

Nowhere. Made some of it up.

Well, we all know that prostitution is the oldest "profession" in the world (gardening is the oldest IMO tho), not only in Greece. Thus the Lesbian incident matters. And Sapfo made some great poetry. She was the Master Lesbian?? Did she play the flute as well? How cute

Again the couple of references of a couple of poets for their personal pedophilia is turned into a mass Greek phenomenon

That's what trolls are for.

Let me tell you what we all south European beleive for you northern "male". You all are gays!!! Why do you think your cheeks visit Greece so often?

This must be a troll.

Why do Greek men play up to these chicks? Are the Greek-women lesbos History indicates...

Besides Detreu (spell?) was not a Greek

Who's this?

Yeah, ancient Greeks felt no same to run with their balls out
Something like you don't same to walk in the dirty roads without shoes

Not sure what you're trying to say here The Greeks didn't run around bare naked?

BTW don't you know the myth of the Narcisos?

The young male who was so enamored with his own image that he stared at it day and night on the reflaction of a calm water lake?

When in a cresendo of self admiration, he bent down to kiss his reflection on the water, he drawn.

Yes, yes. Of course I know.

In any case homosexuality of ancient greeks might also have been a huge admiration of THEMSELVES. Narcisism and homosexuality may go hand in hand.

Care to eloborate red_jon?

Mybey it wa predominatly about narcisism and admiration of oneself.
I haven't studied it, it is just a thought.


BTW this myth is where the word Narcisism comes from.
Around 80% of english words have their roots in greek.

And that's not the only thing that came from you guys. Narcisism is a neurotic disease. Add the Oedipus complex and what not. Those ancient Greeks must hav been some sick b******s

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Lars-E
And that's not the only thing that came from you guys. Narcisism is a neurotic disease. Add the Oedipus complex and what not. Those ancient Greeks must hav been some sick b******s

Great Intelligence comes with some inherent drawbacks

("nice" troll BTW )


BTW why do you think Greece is called the cradle of western civilization all you psychotic barbarians took just the bad parts

[Lars-E]

am sceptical about getting the bible at face value. Also some things got again lost in the translation from the original greek text.

How do you treat it differently from other historical texts?

I have a book called "New Testament Greek", but haven't looked into it. Yet...

There's a standard piece of work, I'd like to get my hands on, where the text is written in Greek, and then literaly translated. Insightful exegesis is added to this as well. But the volumes have been outta print a lot the last years (Press altF4 to see a pic...)

I have the Hebrew equivalent though, and Strong's concordance and Vine's abridged... and some other relevant books too I think

Those lost things are only minor stuff and even one of your countrymen disagreed with you on "A unknown God". He said the definite article was the common translation.

Did you know that we say "this is Greek to me" when we don't understand something? Cos Greek is supposed to be very difficult... Then why is NT Greek easy? And as you said English borrowed a lot..so how difficult can it be?

BTW, your equivalent is "this is Chinese to me". Heard this from a Greek whilst attending Sprachschule in Bremen, Germany.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Lars-E

How do you treat it differently from other historical texts?

In that way you are correct. If you treat it as an historical text you might avoid some shortcommings. However there is this defining difference we are talking about. It's a work of religious content.
It is not a work of philosophy (at least not entirely), nor a theatrical play.

In this light it should be seen.
It would be the equivalant of the way of looking at the mystical eleusenian secret cult writings (which appropriately enough they largely remian secret since few things are known about them).
In any case, under the scrutiny and the angle of viewing of religious text must it be looked.

I have a book called "New Testament Greek", but haven't looked into it. Yet...

Yes. Just another step in the evolution of the language.

There's a standard piece of work, I'd like to get my hands on, where the text is written in Greek, and then literaly translated. Insightful exegesis is added to this as well. But the volumes have been outta print a lot the last years (Press altF4 to see a pic...)

Cute.

Those lost things are only minor stuff and even one of your countrymen disagreed with you on "A unknown God". He said the definite article was the common translation.

These might not be as minor as you think or as this example. I have noticed that in many cases a large chunk of a certain meaning becomes lost when translated into another language. That's why having a high quality translation should be very important to you.
You have to know greek in order to be in a position to fully savour the subtle linguistic shades that dwell inside the words. I'd dare to say that 90% of those become lost when translated to any other language.
I dare to say that you even have to have a first hand knowledge of the meanings and the words in order to plunge your mind into these works.

Did you know that we say "this is Greek to me" when we don't understand something? Cos Greek is supposed to be very difficult... Then why is NT Greek easy? And as you said English borrowed a lot..so how difficult can it be?

New Testament Greek are not "easier" than attican greek or modern greek. But since I know the language browsing through attican or NT greek is much more easier to me. Same letters, same words just the syntax is somewhat different. (which is logical after couple of millenia )

edit: english and other languages are largely based on greek. It is easy for me to understand a lot of their words due to this. I'd imagine it should be useful vice versa. But the greek language is immensly "tranformable, adaptable, everchanging". One word with the change of one letter or even the tone in which you pronounce it can a get a subtle different meaning. And there an awful large number of tenses and other grammatical aspects which I can't spell in english.

I would imagine that greek IS NOT soooo forbidingly difficult.
I imagine that the phrase "it looks greek to me" came because of the different alphabet. The different letters which they couldn;t recognize. Not because of the immensity of difficulty it allegedly has.

BTW, your equivalent is "this is Chinese to me". Heard this from a Greek whilst attending Sprachschule in Bremen, Germany.

True
I wonder what the chinese say

BTW your interest in all this is heartening.

[Bereta_Eder]

Permit me to demonstrate a rather characteristic example of this subtlelty.

This is one of the chrismoi the Oracle of Delphi given to a soldier before he went to war.
He wanted to know wether he would return alive.

Pythia told him this:
Þîåéò áöÞîåéò ïõê åí ôù ðïëÝìù èíÞîåéò

assuming you have no greek fonts in latin characters this is:

ixis afixis ouk en to polemo thnixis

according to whether the word "ouk" was toned or not, (was following after a comma or not) according to only and exclusively this hugely minor subtlelty in pronouncing, the phrase can have two exactly opposite meanings:

1. you will depart you will return, not into the war shall you perish
2. you will depart you will return not, into the war shall you perish

The fist one apparently means that he will come back alive.
The second means that he will die in the war.

just a small example of all that.


BTW I sincerely hope he payed close attention to how Pythia pronounced it

[Keygen]

Originally posted by Lars-E

I thought homosexuality was prevalent back then..

I though homosexuality was prevalent in the presence in your country

Originally posted by Lars-E

Nowhere. Made some of it up.

What a moron...

Originally posted by Lars-E

That's what trolls are for.

Yes, I forgot. Your "cultural" contribution of your "great" civilization to the world

Originally posted by Lars-E

This must be a troll.

Yes, I was trolling but it is true.
Just ask what the southern Europeans think for your Northern Europeans' virility

Originally posted by Lars-E

Why do Greek men play up to these chicks?

Because they are easiest

Originally posted by Lars-E

Who's this?

A Belgian. He was running the largest network of paidofilia in the Europe until he was cought by the Belgian authorities.
There was a big scandal about it a few years ago. It led to the resignation of a Belgian minister as well if I remember correctly.

Originally posted by Lars-E

Not sure what you're trying to say here The Greeks didn't run around bare naked?

The Greeks used to contest in the Olympic games naked.
I've noticed that lot of your cheeks use to take off their shoes and dancing on bare foot.
Not to mention the dirt on the floor History indicates?

Originally posted by Lars-E

And that's not the only thing that came from you guys. Narcisism is a neurotic disease. Add the Oedipus complex and what not. Those ancient Greeks must hav been some sick b******s

Yeah, and your current civilization is built on those sick b******s' civilization
Yes, we were running a great civilization back then when you were a bunch of monkeys jumping from tree to tree