Cheating Russians

[DanS]

You're trying to get off on a technicality. It doesn't matter if all the teammates were tested, while the rules say only one should be tested. It still doesn't remove the fact that she was cheating!

"It is +3C here write now."

That's damn cold!

[Serb]

Originally posted by Ming
It's hard to figure out what he is saying inbetween all the personal insults and denials

It is hard to be chill when reading such bull**** as this thread.

[Serb]

Originally posted by DanS
You're trying to get off on a technicality. It doesn't matter if all the teammates were tested, while the rules say only one should be tested. It still doesn't remove the fact that she was cheating!

This blood test showed that her hemoglobin was above normal, but it does not showed the use of doping. That’s why Lazutina was allowed to next race- 30 km. Only after this race test shows the use of doping.
Our women Ski TEAM were removed ILEGAL.

It doesn't matter if all the teammates were tested, while the rules say only one should be tested

Actully it matters. This calls a brake of law.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Serb
It is hard to be chill when reading such bull**** as this thread.

Yeah... it must be tough having to face the truth...
Again... who got caught... AGAIN... do you deny that simple fact.

[Serb]

No I don’t deny that two of our sportsman were cough. But it’s only a tip of iceberg.
Do you deny that this is the worst, most scandal Olympic games ever? Our protest not about this two cases.
Do you really thing that Russians unable to accept the defeat? It’s insane. Most of all we hate a LIES. This games were campaign against of ENTIRE OUR TEAM not two members of it.

That's damn cold!

Not for us. For us –35C is cold. We are not so fragile as you are.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Serb
This games were campaign against of ENTIRE OUR TEAM not two members of it.

And you offer up "WHAT" as proof...
Let me guess... We got caught = Everybody was against us.

Great Logic

[Serb]

Where is your logic then?
Name my one previous games where Russians showed the same behavior. You are who deny logic not I am. Thinking that Russians cannot accept defeat properly is ignorance of facts.
And you know about the list of our protests (women and men ski, freestyle, figure skate, hokey, etc) if you don’t, then you know nothing what are you talking about.

[H Tower]

you know, i could say i am offended by all this swearing, but i'm having too much fun watching serb debate with ming

[Serb]

You know I could say I’m offended by the name of this thread, this thread by it self, but most of all by attitude to our Olympic team.

[H Tower]

Originally posted by Serb
You know I could say I’m offended by the name of this thread, this thread by it self, but most of all by attitude to our Olympic team.

having an attitude towards your country's olympic team is not against forum rules last time i checked

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by blackice
Actually in Canada while an individual may chose this route we here have an anti doping additude...

Ben Johnson for example did not come back a hero for his choice in fact Canadians were collectively shamed by it.

Which begs the question how were Russian dope positive atheletes treated on thier return?

The main problem here is a lack of trust, which actually renders our present discussion a little bit meaningless.

Trust was further undermined by the unfair treatment at this olympiad. Can we trust the IOC? By no means. Especially after they showed themselves as a bunch of wimps in the Canadian case.

Therefore, if you are Russian, you cannot be completely sure whether the doping allegations are true in essence. On the other hand, there are other possible explanations for a high hemoglobin level and the presence of that substance (I don't remember the name). The investigation continues. The Russians filed a protest. Let us wait for the results.

Even if the allegations are true, one cannot be sure that the Russians were not inappropriately singled out and that the Western top contenders were properly checked. And here I mean just the *top* contenders, i.e. those who realistically pretended to the gold. Have those miraculous Norwegian skiers, who won multiple gold, ever been checked? I never heard about that.

It is this lack of trust that ultimately prevents the Russian people from condeming the alleged Russian doping users.

[Serb]

Nu nakonetc to nashego polku pribylo.
A to menya ati pridurki uzhe dostali v konec.
Zloradstvuyut suki.
Ni hera mi im ezhe dadim prosratsya v Italii.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Serb
And you know about the list of our protests (women and men ski, freestyle, figure skate, hokey, etc) if you don’t, then you know nothing what are you talking about.

OK... we will see what comes first... That any of your protests actually gets upheld... or that you get your medal back... or nothing else happens.

I'm betting on nothing else happen

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Serb
Nu nakonetc to nashego polku pribylo.
A to menya ati pridurki uzhe dostali v konec.
Zloradstvuyut suki.
Ni hera mi im ezhe dadim prosratsya v Italii.

Tyazhelo im eto vse ob'yasnyat'. No proderzhimsya. Glavnoye sohranyat' spokoystvie.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Ming
I'm betting on nothing else happen

And I'm betting that we will kick your asse$ on next winter Olympic games in Italy- on neutral ground.