Cheating Russians

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Serb
The truth is between, as always.

So if I say you're an total ass, and you say you're not. Then the truth would be that you're an ass, but not a total one?

Every country dopes.

So you're admitting that your country dopes.

Russians made a lot of mistakes mostly not by sportsman, but by mans who was in charge. Those man were unable to defend Russian position.

Oh sure, blame it on the mans.

Do you really think that Russians do not have doctors in their team, to determinate that a sportsman in not proper condition? Do you really think that team doctors before the contest were unable to determinate that blood test after contests will show doping’s use? What do you think our doctors are idiots or they wanted a scandal?

They didn't want a scandal, they wanted to get away with it. Plus, the athletes could have doped up after seeing the Russian doctors.

What about South Korean short tracker?

What? Did he dope up too?

All yours so called facts are no facts for me, those facts based on brake of rules. The blood tests of Lazutina were made after the same tests were taken from Danilova. It’s a brake of rules. Only one sportsman from every team must be tested. [

What about the IOC's rules?

But further, about results of those tests (btw results do not shows the dopes only 0.8% hemoglobin above average)

Did you read this in a Russian newpaper, or make it up yourself?

[blackice]

Actually in Canada while an individual may chose this route we here have an anti doping additude...

Ben Johnson for example did not come back a hero for his choice in fact Canadians were collectively shamed by it.

Which begs the question how were Russian dope positive atheletes treated on thier return?



I hate to repete myself but you may have missed this?

[H Tower]

the angrier Serb gets, the more and more he starts to sound like ottok

[Ming]

Originally posted by H Tower
the angrier Serb gets, the more and more he starts to sound like ottok

WHAT AN INSULT... YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR!!!!!

Now apologize to ottok RIGHT NOW!

[H Tower]

i'm sorry ottok, i didn't mean to insult you like that

[Ming]

Originally posted by H Tower
i'm sorry ottok, i didn't mean to insult you like that

Much better

[Serb]

Very funny.
I’m tired of this bull****.
You said that I don’t have arguments, I have many. My English is not sufficient to properly defend them here, and I don’t want to waste my time. All our arguments are took in the court. As long as you will call us a cheaters, I will call you a cowards and liars.

What about the IOC's rules?

It was the brake of IOC’s rules, read those rules first.

Did you read this in a Russian newpaper, or make it up yourself?

As I’ve said read the IOC’s rules.
A couple hours before start of the race ONE member of every team must be tested. This blood test is not for doping use. This test is the check of hemoglobin level. If level of hemoglobin is above normal this is suspect for use of doping, but it not proves the use of doping. Anyhow the rules says that if hemoglobin level is above of normal, then this sportsmen must be substituted, but TEAM might continue the race. When I’ve said that it was the brake of all rules I’ve mean: first of all TWO members of Russian women ski team were tested instead of ONE. About results of test our team were informed 15 minutes before start of the race. Our women ski team was removed from race UNLEGAL. And we will prove it in the court. This is only one example of many.

What? Did he dope up too?

No his gold medal was taken from him, and was given to an American.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Serb
As long as you will call us a cheaters, I will call you a cowards and liars.

Again... let me remind you that the Russians got caught cheating.
Do you still deny it. Oh that's right, they didn't cheat... they were cheated...


And that's why the IOC took their medals away... PLEASE NOTE... the IOC, not the Americans, not the people at Apolyton, but the people responsible for enforcing the rules at the Olympics...

Oh... and that cowards and liars thing... very immature, but I guess when you don't have any facts to ....

[DanS]

Only one was disqualified, no? Because of this, the alternate should have stepped in. If both were disqualified, and you didn't have a second alternate, then you have a point. But that would still mean that two athletes were probably cheating.

Btw, your English is just fine.

Anyway, we've gotta cut Serb some slack. If he actually is from Siberia, he's probably freezing his ass off right now. We can afford to be generous.

[General Ludd]

I'm not trying to take a side in this argument, but...

Originally posted by Ming


Again... let me remind you that the Russians got caught cheating.

A (single?) russian athlete was caught cheating, not the entire russian population.


I think this is what he saying... I don't know.

[Ming]

It's hard to figure out what he is saying inbetween all the personal insults and denials

[Hobbes]

not the entire russian population.

that would be funny

[Serb]

Only one was disqualified, no? Because of this, the alternate should have stepped in. If both were disqualified, and you didn't have a second alternate, then you have a point. But that would still mean that two athletes were probably cheating.

You do not know what are you talking about.
Read the rules too. I've talked about TEAM RACE. You know where one women run first part of distance then another continue, and so on.

but I guess when you don't have any facts to ....

The case is not close yet.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Serb
The case is not close yet.

Let us know when the IOC returns the medal... we have time.

[Serb]

Anyway, we've gotta cut Serb some slack. If he actually is from Siberia, he's probably freezing his ass off right now. We can afford to be generous.

Don’t worry about my ass. It is +3C here write now.