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detailing the history of what little of the corruption in ice dancing judging that has been made public, undoubtedly only the tip of the iceberg. Including more information on the currently scandal than I have seen published elsewhere; With the French judge having put into sworn staements that she was presseured to vote trade with the russians, before she later recanted. You would think the East block judges would be more carefull of being recorded, but Ukrainians are twice caught on tape and a Russian once.
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Serb: You didn't answer rah's argument--i.e., that the Russian public just couldn't take the fact that you were having a bad games, even while cheating. Further, that instead of either resolving to cheat better in the next games, or actually investing in your athletes so that they do better (as the US did after '88), we get a stream of complaints. As though complaining will make your athletes better! What a downer!
Well it did work for the Canadian hockey team, but Gretzky only used that ploy once.
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Originally posted by RedFred
Was anyone as surprised as me to see Muehlegg, Lazutina and Danilova get to keep most of the medals they got? Is taking away two gold medals in total and not allowing them to participate in the closing ceremonies enough of a disincentive?
They were not caught at doping upon winning their first medals. Not caught -> innocent. Just presumption of innocence.
Originally posted by DanS
Serb: You didn't answer rah's argument--i.e., that the Russian public just couldn't take the fact that you were having a bad games, even while cheating. Further, that instead of either resolving to cheat better in the next games, or actually investing in your athletes so that they do better (as the US did after '88), we get a stream of complaints.
May I comment on this. What you mention may be just one of the aspects that affected how Russia perceived the Olimpic Games. It would be very incorrect to reduce it all to this single aspect. The problem is that Russia received an outrageous treatment at this olympiad. The Canadian case alone, even disregarding other scandals, is more than enough to justify the above statement.
May I comment on this. What you mention may be just one of the aspects that affected how Russia perceived the Olimpic Games. It would be very incorrect to reduce it all to this single aspect. The problem is that Russia received an outrageous treatment at this olympiad. The Canadian case alone, even disregarding other scandals, is more than enough to justify the above statement.
the "canadian case" as you call it was a clear cheat, we had a confession from the french judge, what more do you want? It wasn't the skaters fault, blame it on the judges.
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Originally posted by Serb
Yeah, it sucks to be the rah, no brains, no respect to others, only bull**** in head.
Yeah, it sucks to be Serb, no brains, no respect to others, only bull**** in head.
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