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The FIR of Athens has been violated once again by the Turkish airforce...
Well, they're certainly aggressive, if a little confused.
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They're raping Greek trees now?
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FIR= (episis) oh elato, oh elato m'areseis pos m'areseis
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Turkey's airforce will continue to do what it wants. It neeeds to fly over Greek Islands because Greece Owns(Well actually illegaly occupies) so many islands in the Aegean. It'd be almost impossible to not fly over Greek Islands when flying in the Aegean, which is a natural place for Turkey to fly. Besides, those Islands are really Turkey's Greece just stole them, so Turkey can fly there if it wants.
And stop blabbing on about made up genocides."I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer
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Yes, they handled their revolution oh so well. And they were really concerned about human rights in Africa and Southeast Asia. And doing business with the Iraqi military was a real step forward in human rights.Originally posted by paiktis22
It took a lot of political guts for the French to recognize the Armenian Genocide.
It is no mistake that France is considered the mother - country of human rights and it lives up to its name
The French are humane when it suites them. Just like every other country.Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul TighComment
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That is quite normal considering that the turks massacred 1 million of armenian civilian man women and children not so long ago.Go and kick their ass!
One of my friend is son of armenians, and he hates Turks to death!
No. It must respect the international laws and the frontiers with Greece. And it must do so of its own free will, not because we make her do it.Turkey's airforce will continue to do what it wants.
These islands have had greek populations for millenia. And they are recognised from Turkey as Greek for 200 years from the Convention of Lozane which clearly dictates the borders of each country.It neeeds to fly over Greek Islands because Greece Owns(Well actually illegaly occupies) so many islands in the Aegean.
Greeks lived for Millenia in Constantinople and Asia Minor too but they were also massacred by the Turks (2 millions of civilians massacred in total in the 20th century by Turkey)
Turkey shall abandon its aspirations for war and expansion. The US should not back her up just because she needs her as an ally.
Support bastard regimes, you are a bastard regime.
It is not natural to try to fly inside another country's territory. Maybe if they were a democracy, the turks would understand the meaning of law.It'd be almost impossible to not fly over Greek Islands when flying in the Aegean, which is a natural place for Turkey to fly.
Sprayber, the French lost business and investements in Turkey by their bold deed of recognizing the Armenian Genocide by the Turks. They did it only out of respect to truth and the humanitarian principles which they first founded.
MarkG, yeah I know...Last edited by Bereta_Eder; January 24, 2002, 14:46.Comment
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That explains it then!
I was in Chalkis (you know, a city from civ2
) today and jet fighters were constantly passing above us. Tanagra airbase was working overtime, as it seems.
People around here perhaps don't understand how many millions of Euros does this thing cost to both sides, in both fuel, maintenance and ageing of the aircrafts. In addition, the stress inflicted on the pilots and planes has cost quite a few lives in plane crashes (although our planes do not crash during interception, unlike the turkish ones)."In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
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Axi that is stupid
Now if you shoot down a turkish F-16 or F-15 (not that I think you could ) Then a war would cost you tens of Billions of Euro's! So stop complaining about a little spent fuel, here and there
War=Greece will lose.Comment
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Btw...I should also add it is not just USA which support are turkish fiends
Germany also provides them with plentyful leapords Tanks.
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We will complain since Turkey keeps requiring us to spend fuel in order to chase back to their holes its louzy pilots who VIOLATE OUR AIRSPACE (=that's the point of it all faded glory).Originally posted by faded glory
So stop complaining about a little spent fuel, here and there
And Axi didn't say we shot a plane down. We can do it very easily but we don't use weapons as long as they don't use weapons.
The turks fall to the sea and get killed by themselves because they can't manouvre their planes right. They lose control during the dogfights and they crash.
They should train better or thay can drop dead for all I care.
Turkey must stop violated air borders, it's as simple as that. And that's the point.Comment
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No offense Paiky.....but Turkey has a couple thousand AMRAAM's and they will blast you and your airforce from150 miles out
No I didnt imply that greece shot/or should shoot down a plane. Im just saying...your angry about using some jet fuel (understandable). But if you get in a war. You will be paying alot bigger price then a few hundred pounds of jet fuel.
The simple answer is to lock them with your HAWK SAM's we gave you, and let them know there being watched/threatened.Comment
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Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
after French gouvernment acknowledged the Armenians Genocide.
I knowOriginally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
Yes, it was french philosophers who think about the human right declaration. We don't make only cheese and wine, you know. That's why I consider the French one of the most important nations in history.
Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Turkey's airforce will continue to do what it wants. It neeeds to fly over Greek Islands because Greece Owns(Well actually illegaly occupies) so many islands in the Aegean. It'd be almost impossible to not fly over Greek Islands when flying in the Aegean, which is a natural place for Turkey to fly. Besides, those Islands are really Turkey's Greece just stole them, so Turkey can fly there if it wants.
What a pathetic and unhistorical point of view...
I don't think he can.Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
And stop blabbing on about made up genocides.
1.5-2 million Armenians and 1-2 millions Greeks massacred during the 20th century is not an easy thing to forget.
And who are to controvert so easily the death of millions of civilians?
Well, those achivements were made by French intellectuals and not from the French government.Originally posted by Sprayber
Yes, they handled their revolution oh so well. And they were really concerned about human rights in Africa and Southeast Asia. And doing business with the Iraqi military was a real step forward in human rights.
The French are humane when it suites them. Just like every other country.
Governments are usually practicing their interests with no morality irregardless nationality.
F-15? Turkey does not own F-15.Originally posted by faded glory
Now if you shoot down a turkish F-16 or F-15 (not that I think you could ) Then a war would cost you tens of Billions of Euro's! So stop complaining about a little spent fuel, here and there
Well, if you can beat them then we can too since our pilots are better than yours. Along with the Israeli the best in the world.
FYI, my brother served for a period (1996) in a radar base and the percentages where 92% Greek intercepts opposite to only 8% of Turkish intercepts. That means that in a possible conflict Greece will lose an 8% of their interceptors and Turkey their 92%.
Besides Israeli pilots who trained a great deal of Turkish pilots they said that their level is very low.
Seems to me that the Turkish airforce is laughable.Comment
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Well, we have AMRAAMs too and I bet we can use them better.Originally posted by faded glory
No offense Paiky.....but Turkey has a couple thousand AMRAAM's and they will blast you and your airforce from150 miles out
Saddam, try to read some history and get updated regarding the Greek and Turkish armory because you got some things wrong
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Ha!Originally posted by Keygen
Well, if you can beat them then we can too since our pilots are better than yours. Along with the Israeli the best in the world.
What can your pilots do? Turn on and off the simulator? Pfffff.
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Key, it doesnt take a goo pilot to use a AAMRAM
Thats a bold statement. Considering war hasnt broke out in awhile. Turkey has found new friends, and her friends have shown her how to fight a war a bit better. Her friends also gave her tools.Seems to me that the Turkish airforce is laughable.
F-15's are to be acquired bye the Turkish Airforce sometime in 2004
Ahh......Ze French. The masters of Genocide and torture. The makers of the Guilatine, the Pillagers of North Africa, The guys who took great joy in sending people to Guiyana, the one's who tied together the Iraqi air defense network, The great people who harbored murderers like Ira Einhorn for many yearsafter French gouvernment acknowledged the Armenians Genocide.
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