The X-Box is here -- Are you ready? ;)

[Asher]

Originally posted by monkspider
Says who, you? I think I have proven earlier that PS2 did much better games-wise with their launch. They had some shortage problems and so forth, but their games *WERE* better.
I shall reiterate one more time for you.
SSX, Ridge Racer, Tekken Tag, Madden 2001, DoA2 hardcore
vs Halo, DoA3. I guess if you really like those two games it is your opinion that it is better, but for the vast majority of the gaming public that's simply not true. 5 AAA games *IS* simply better than 2 AAA games, and I don't think I need a link for that.

Er...
SSX's sequel is out in a few weeks on the Xbox.
Ridge Racer? Did you even PLAY that game? It's not very good. Project Gotham Racer (Xbox) is actually better.
Tekken Tag? Tekken still exists?
Madden 2001 vs. NFL Feever 2002. :hmm:
DOA2 vs DOA3... :hmm:

SSX was pretty good, but it wasn't that great.
NO PS2 launch title can compare to Halo or DOA3. Check the review ratings yourself.

How on earth so? Are you really that dense? I clearly layed out the fact that most good games for X-Box for at least for the first half of 2001 will be versions of PS2 games that have been out for months, ior n some cases even, close to a year! Also, many of the games will appear on the PC, since the X-Box seems to have sort of a PC-slant to it. That is simply truth, thus I would say my arguements *DO* stand on pretty firm foundation.

Dude, you can't know what the good games are unless you've played them before. So of COURSE the only good games you KNOW about for sure are ones you've already played.

:lol" where on earth do you get this statistic? Your own personal preference? I happen to know a good 20 or so guys at my university who adore the Mario series. Heck, I even know a professor who really likes Mario. I could just as easily pidgeon hole FPS games as games for "brainless, pimply faced nerds", and games that "mature" gamers would avoid like the plague. You see? Your silly reasoning can cut both ways. I'm sure you can respond "but Halo is violent, it's got blood and guts!! It's mature dude!" But if violence level rather quality of gameplay is what makes a game for you, it is clear you wouldn't fit into the category of what is considered "mature gamers".

I didn't say no "mature" gamers liked Mario and company. It's just that most don't.
Go ahead, ask your fellow college students: Mario 64 or Goldeneye? which one will they answer?

Sorry to break it to you, but those titles are either available for PS2 and Gamecube now, or will be at more or less the same time as X-Box gets them. In other words, X-Box will have no real advantage per se with these games. They *are* good games but good games every other system has already had in most cases. In fact SSX: Tricky is out for Gamecube *AND* PS2 already! Actually now that I think about it, RAW is technically an X-BOX exclusive (I think), but I know PS2 is getting a lot of WWF games too. Including an exclusive title that is the only wrestling game that I personally would buy, "Legends of Wrestling"!

*shakes head*
The Xbox versions are enhanced (Check out the Xbox SSX: Tricky preview on Gamespot, it pretty much blasts the other versions on GC/PS2).
And what's wrong with loading your lineup up with great games on pre-existing consoles, and then accompany that with your own great games on top of that?
That seems like a good idea to me.
Or maybe they should listen to you and not get the good games from other consoles and make them better looking, because you just KNOW that they've already been out for a few months...

Hell, how many years was Half-Life out? Isn't that on the PS2?
How about Unreal Tournament?
Once again, your argument is full of flaws and simply hypocritical.

I know I seem harsh on the X-Box, but I probably will buy one one day. In fact, I'm fairly certain that I will. I still proudly display my Saturn in my dorm room. I just fear that you may be basing your love for this system on fierce allegiance to Microsoft more than anything else. Also, you're a good debater, I certainly can't take that away from you.

I'm not basing my love on the system based on my like for Windows. Honestly.
I use what I like. I like Nvidia, I like Intel, and I like Microsoft's deep deep pockets.
Put the three together, and you've got one killer system.

If I had the money right now I'd buy a Gamecube.
I wish I could afford to buy both, but I had to choose. I chose the Xbox primarily because it's a much better compliment for my home theater system than Gamecube is, and quite frankly it's more powerful. There are good and great games on all consoles, and none of them are going to fail.

For the people who think the Xbox is going to fail...well, maybe they don't know just how much money and weight MS has to throw around to make it work.

[Wiglaf]

Oh, and I know what a runon is. Your sentence was a runon, even using the definition you gave.

I didn't forget any periods, glonky. Think hard.

I especially like the last line.

funny, I don't. Besides, Morgan Stanley is a sellout organization, probably partially owned by MS or something, and only a few minutes of checking out that horrid quote will tell you that their reputation obviously applies here. I don't care what "Mary Meeker" has to say, she's one of 6.5 billion people who could make the same call either way. great "source"...

for the record, my article had a panel of proven experts and included polls of thousands of consumers.

Last I checked, I didn't see Microsoft concerning itself over the plight of the proletariate.

Do you mean internally? But, like any other large corporation, Microsoft's internal organization is more like a feudal monarchy than a Communist state. Of course, this isn't even getting into the question of which form of communism you're talking about. And are you talking about generic economic and political communism?

jeppy and asher.

When I call MS commie, I'm talking about the sort of communism they have in China or Cuba, where no one has any freedom, in the market or otherwise. In many ways, Bush - the most powerful person in the word - is being trampled by the size and power of MS alone, and damn if that isn't wrong or scary as hell.

besides that, jeppsters, you sound a lot like glonky anyway. interesting.

[Wiglaf]

Madden 2001 vs. NFL Feever 2002

"Feever" was a tragic display of MS's talent in the sports arena. what a sad game that was. really, I don't know what you're on, asher. salt or something? try reading some reviews, or test it out before you post nonsense like that.

btw, find me a definition of communard. that word is awesome, and it'd prove my point.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
funny, I don't. Besides, Morgan Stanley is a sellout organization, probably partially owned by MS or something, and only a few minutes of checking out that horrid quote will tell you that their reputation obviously applies here. I don't care what "Mary Meeker" has to say, she's one of 6.5 billion people who could make the same call either way. great "source"...

for the record, my article had a panel of proven experts and included polls of thousands of consumers.

Of course yours is. It's probably some no-name organization that did the testings, whereas Morgan Stanley is pretty big.

And I'm sure your AOL article isn't biased or anything against MS. What would a company like AOL/Netscape have against Microsoft?

When I call MS commie, I'm talking about the sort of communism they have in China or Cuba, where no one has any freedom, in the market or otherwise. In many ways, Bush - the most powerful person in the word - is being trampled by the size and power of MS alone, and damn if that isn't wrong or scary as hell.

Bush isn't being trampled by the size and power of MS alone. In fact, Bush (the most powerful person in the world) seems to be on MS' side. Which is precisely why you should give up this stupid crusade with the DOJ.
But hey, Bush must be a communist too. He didn't want the communist MS broken up...

besides that, jeppsters, you sound a lot like glonky anyway. interesting.

So anyone who disagrees with your pathetic attempt at logic sounds a lot like me?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Wiglaf


"Feever" was a tragic display of MS's talent in the sports arena. what a sad game that was. really, I don't know what you're on, asher. salt or something? try reading some reviews, or test it out before you post nonsense like that.

True, it wasn't that great.
That's also why Madden 2002 is out on the Xbox.

btw, find me a definition of communard. that word is awesome, and it'd prove my point.

The word you're looking for isn't anywhere related to communism, genius. Communism is left wing. Maybe you were trying to say fascist?

[November Adam]

I think in the official X-box mag. NFL Fever 2002, recieved a slightly better score then Madden. Something like 9.2, for Fever, and 9.1 for Madden.

[Wiglaf]

I think in the official X-box mag. NFL Fever 2002, recieved a slightly better score then Madden. Something like 9.2, for Fever, and 9.1 for Madden.

Wonder why that is.

check out any non-biased reviews site, like gamespot or ign, and you'll get a completely different story. Microsoft should be broken up just for that atrocity of a piece of software.

The word you're looking for isn't anywhere related to communism, genius. Communism is left wing. Maybe you were trying to say fascist?

fascist is good too.

Of course yours is. It's probably some no-name organization that did the testings, whereas Morgan Stanley is pretty big.

And I'm sure your AOL article isn't biased or anything against MS. What would a company like AOL/Netscape have against Microsoft?

AOL gets its articles from the AP, they rarely do anything on their own.

[Wiglaf]

Communard
1 : an adherent or advocate of communism
2 a : capitalized : a member of a Communist party or movement b : often capitalized : an adherent or advocate of a Communist government, party, or movement
4 : often capitalized : one held to engage in left-wing, subversive, or revolutionary activities

check the offline dictionary and:

///
3......: one who supported or participated in the Commune of Paris in 1871
4. a person who lives in a commune

interesting how things work.

[MORON]

So how long before PC catchs up to X-BOX in processing power?

*emulation...the artitecture is simply....alike.

[CapTVK]

It seems I mistook the price of an X-box bundle ($400) for a the unit itself ($300). Yes, the basic unit itself costs $300, but you'll have to include extra purchases (games, controllers) with that so you'll probably run up the bill up to $400 or more.

I do find it curious that so many people would be willing to buy a console above the official retail price (although the PS2 went even higher at ebay during it's launch). Does it come with a "best use before jan 2002"-date or something?

I've never been a fan of consoles myself, the hardware comes in cheap but it's the software that will brake your back. The perfect consumer trap, but that's my personal view.


P.S

Frankly I'm amazed you keep gunning for the X-box so fervously Asher. You would be a textbook case for the term cognitive dissonance.

[November Adam]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
check out any non-biased reviews site, like gamespot or ign, and you'll get a completely different story. Microsoft should be broken up just for that atrocity of a piece of software.

Uhm.. did you read the articles Wiglaf? The reviews from both gamespot, and ign gave it a 7.9, hardly atrocious. Were you just digging for a reaction? Cause if not I think your anti-MS feelings are coming out.

I think Asher is just pushing back as hard as others are pushing him that's all.

[Wiglaf]

The game isn't good. Gamespot is a biased MS PR tank, so, to me, it's remarkable they were honest about this failure. IGN probably didn't want to have too many low marks on their XBox review site, either.

like Age of Empires, MS again seeks to copy original game designs (civ2/myth, nfl2k1,madden/fever) to try and get a foot in the competitive industry. how low is that?

Microsoft should change their little flag logo to something slightly more revealing.

[November Adam]

Kay you qutoe unbiased sights and then when they don't say what you want they are biased? how is a score of 7.9 a failure?

Wiglaf in this day and age everything is a rip off. There are very few, I repeat very few original games. So get of your high horse, your sounding silly.

[Wiglaf]

how is a score of 7.9 a failure?

it's inflated, and even with the edge 7.9 is nothing to be too excited about.

Wiglaf in this day and age everything is a rip off. There are very few, I repeat very few original games.

try the civ series, the new RTS games like empire earth or myth, and all the RPGs like diablo. of course, that's leaving out World of Warcraft, and every other genre busting title slated for mid 2002 release (there are maybe two or three others, judging by preview lists).

look at xbox...ugh.

[November Adam]

Yes but those titles are just rip-offs of their predecessors, with new features, and new units, oh my!

Crickey X-Box has been out for how long? You have to walk before you can run.

Admit it, you hate MS so you are hardly unbiased in your opinions.