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Originally posted by Straybow
"...left people to die?" Oh, that's rich.
It's not too far off. Last I checked over 160,000 are expected to die due to inadequate supplies and malnourishment and disease.
Driving away from such people with trucks full of aid and saying they were left to die isn't too much of a stretch.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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We don't know that they haven't given the food and supplies to anybody, just not to this one specific village. That doesn't mean they aren't giving it to anybody.
If you think it's wrong to be selective about who you give help to, then you should also be condemning groups such as the United Negro College Fund. Or to take it a step further, anyone who gives to a charity for any specific thing or group of people(for instane refugees in Palestine). This group decided it wanted to provide aid to Christians or Christian Converts in SE Asia.
"Not coercion."
Nobody was coerced. They did not use force or affect harm on them in any way. They simply chose to help other people.
"Shi's argument can be extended to anyone attempting to judge others, for example SS officers at Auschwitz,"
The difference here is actually inflicting harm. SS officers killed people. To restate, these people only chose to help other people.
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
We don't know that they haven't given the food and supplies to anybody, just not to this one specific village. That doesn't mean they aren't giving it to anybody.
Weakest argument, EVAR.
We're talking about what we know to be true. I have no reason to believe their behavior would be different elsewhere, either. And neither do you. This is no justification, nor is it an escape from criticism.
If you think it's wrong to be selective about who you give help to, then you should also be condemning groups such as the United Negro College Fund.
I do, but I don't think this is NEARLY comparable. It's one thing to drive up to malnourished, starving people with a truckload of food and not give it to them unless you change your religion to theirs, than to give disadvantaged minorities a scholarship to school.
Nobody was coerced. They did not use force or affect harm on them in any way. They simply chose to help other people.
Which people in the village did they help, exactly?
It was their intent to get them to convert to Christianity, not to help. Giving them aid was a tool in getting them to convert.
The difference here is actually inflicting harm. SS officers killed people. To restate, these people only chose to help other people.
They did not choose to help people -- if they did, they'd have given aid without forcing them to change religion for it.
You don't have to inflict harm directly to hurt someone. I don't know about the States, but it's actually a crime to not assist someone who is injured/dying in Canada, for example.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
We don't know that they haven't given the food and supplies to anybody, just not to this one specific village. That doesn't mean they aren't giving it to anybody.
One's enough
If you think it's wrong to be selective about who you give help to, then you should also be condemning groups such as the United Negro College Fund. Or to take it a step further, anyone who gives to a charity for any specific thing or group of people(for instane refugees in Palestine).
Yes but while that usually happens the differentiations are made for a good reason relating back to the need and the charitable intention, this situation does not exist. There is nothing to distinguish the need of Christians and Hindu's in this situation.
Nobody was coerced. They did not use force or affect harm on them in any way. They simply chose to help other people.
But they decided that on the basis of external prejudice, and not need. In any medical sense, that would disobey the Hippocratic oath and qualify as harm in any utilitarian sense, which leads on to the next point.
The difference here is actually inflicting harm. SS officers killed people. To restate, these people only chose to help other people.
Asides from what I said above, they are allowing people to die (and if they live it would be no thanks to them, who's religion and public perception was apparently more important than their immediate need, such that they would up and run somewhere else) for no reason other than their religion. That they might choose to help other people is incidental, and we do not know that they are or are not using this tact with others too, but going on their past conduct I should be inclined to say that it's more likely they are. Surely of course if they change because of the attention of the media, it would be tantamount to an admission of error.
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
...some posters got their jollies by gleefully pointing out a map that compared the paths of the hurricaes going over counties that in 2000 voted for Bush, and then suggesting the hurricanes were divine retribution.
In other news, we have posters telling us that Europeans do nothing but collect welfare checks and take drugs.
...so since we're talking about religion anyway, are you sure you'd like to cast the first stone?
Even if they do give the stuff to Christian villagers elsewhere, it's an awfully inefficient distro system to be using at a time like this.
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Shi still pedelling that moronic comparison to the United Negro College Fund? Damn...
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We're talking about what we know to be true. I have no reason to believe their behavior would be different elsewhere, either. And neither do you. This is no justification, nor is it an escape from criticism."
There is no reason to expect they are not helping anyone. They may well have found either Christians or people willing to convert.
"I do, but I don't think this is NEARLY comparable. It's one thing to drive up to malnourished, starving people with a truckload of food and not give it to them unless you change your religion to theirs, than to give disadvantaged minorities a scholarship to school."
Ah, right you point out a key difference between the United Negro College Fund and a group like this that goes on religion(Either these people, or Moslem groups that focus their aid towards helping other Moslems). You can change your religion, but not your race.
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You don't have to inflict harm directly to hurt someone. I don't know about the States, but it's actually a crime to not assist someone who is injured/dying in Canada, for example."
So is Canada going to be arresting everyone who had the ability to donate money but chose not too? At the very least, if they never donate any of their food or supplies, they are on par with these people. But if they do find people who they will give food too, then they should be applauded for that.
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Jubilant at seeing the relief trucks loaded with food, clothes and the much-needed medicines the villagers, many of who have not had a square meal in days, were shocked when the nuns asked them to convert before distributing biscuits and water.
Hey this is nothing. "Good Christians" used to make people convert so they could have their throats cut instead of being burned at the stake.
On the other hand, something smells about this article, but if it is true then these nuns be should be burned at the stake...
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