No Jesus? No Tsunami aid for you!

[Shi Huangdi]

"I'd say withholding aid is a pretty damn forceful way of getting a conversion."

Coercion means you are using force against them.

"Not ineffective, but downright offensive and repulsive."

And if they are offensive and repulsive for limiting their aid to Christians and people willing to convert, you are moreso offensive and replusive because you haven't traveled there to help anybody.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
And if they are offensive and repulsive for limiting their aid to Christians and people willing to convert, you are moreso offensive and replusive because you haven't traveled there to help anybody.

No, because I have donated money in aid. There is nothing I can do to help them in person, nor is it practical for me to do so.

These people are repulsive not because they went there to try to help, but because they're leveraging people's death and suffering to try to convert people to Christianity.

Rest assured, if it was practical and viable for me to go there, I would not ask them to reject their Hindu beliefs in favor of being agnostic.

Don't even try that lame defense that they're out there to help and we're not. They're there with an agenda to exploit suffering to spread their religion, and not to genuinely help. There is a huge difference, and one that I'm not surprised a Christian has a hard time seeing the difference of.

For all this talk about Christian values, I see an awful lot of repulsive human behavior...

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by Dissident
typical anti-christian attitudes on these boards.

If this were a disaster that happened in the USA, and there were a group that would only give aid to people who voted for John Kerry, people on this board would be celebrating that group and donating to them.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
If this were a disaster that happened in the USA, and there were a group that would only give aid to people who voted for John Kerry, people on this board would be celebrating that group and donating to them.

That's bull****, and I'm sure you know it.

[Dis]

I have heard Indonesia is refusing christian aid groups, but there is no article on that.

[Shi Huangdi]

"No, because I have donated money in aid. "

Donating money pales in comparison to the sacrifice of going all the way over there and leading an aid mission.

"These people are repulsive not because they went there to try to help, but because they're leveraging people's death and suffering to try to convert people to Christianity."

They are trying to both help and convert at the same time. And in their view, they are doing them a favor by trying to save people from eternal damnation, something to which as missionaries they have dedicated their lives to. And in the process they are trying to deliver aid to some of the people there.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Dissident
I have heard Indonesia is refusing christian aid groups, but there is no article on that.

How did you hear about it then?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Donating money pales in comparison to the sacrifice of going all the way over there and leading an aid mission.

True, but this obviously isn't an aid mission -- it's a sales opportunity.

They are trying to both help and convert at the same time

No, they are there to convert. They are using potential aid as a tool in doing so.

If they were there to both help and convert, they would offer aid to anyone who needs it, and paint a good picture of the mythical Christian Values... instead we've seen they're nothing more than inhuman opportunistic bastards.

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by Asher

That's bull****, and I'm sure you know it.

When the Florida hurricanes hit this past summer, when peoples homes and livelihoods were being destroyed, some posters got their jollies by gleefully pointing out a map that compared the paths of the hurricaes going over counties that in 2000 voted for Bush, and then suggesting the hurricanes were divine retribution.

[Japher]

Blasphemy is only blasphemy if at first you believe... If I need aide and they told me I had to become christian I'd be "whatever, give me some bread"!!

[Asher]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
When the Florida hurricanes hit this past summer, when peoples homes and livelihoods were being destroyed, some posters got their jollies by gleefully pointing out a map that compared the paths of the hurricaes going over counties that in 2000 voted for Bush, and then suggesting the hurricanes were divine retribution.

What does that have to do with anything?

Need I post links and anecdotes about all the times Christians use "God' wrath" as an agenda as well?

This has f*ck all to do with selectively giving aid in the result of a disaster...

[Chemical Ollie]

They are obviously not Samarians

[GePap]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi


When the Florida hurricanes hit this past summer, when peoples homes and livelihoods were being destroyed, some posters got their jollies by gleefully pointing out a map that compared the paths of the hurricaes going over counties that in 2000 voted for Bush, and then suggesting the hurricanes were divine retribution.

And that has nothing to do with anything.

Lesson in basic logic:

If a person is moraly repugnant, that does not absolve other morally repugnant people from their repugnancy.

I don;t give a **** what you think of anyone here in Poly-that is an irrelevant strawman. The question is, what kind of people are these?

To deny giving aid because of someone's religion is repulsive, no matter how much work you did or did not do in order to discriminate. To attempt to convert people at a time of misery is also morally outrageous.

The people who did this are terrible human biengs, regardless on whether anyone on Poly, including yourself, is a worthy human being either.

Stop defending these scumbags.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Richelieu
Provoqued by typical Christian attitudes in missionaries behaviour.

This attitude has not been typical in Christian missionaries since the days of Pizarro and Cortez.

Shi's hypothetical would be more on point if, after the disaster in American, Hindus would have shown up here offering aid only to those who denounce Christ and His teachings.

[Arrian]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I think we have a very good reason to condemn these people. Coercion isn't a very good way to go about saving souls even in the best of times. But to go into a village suffering form such devestation and do such a things is morally repugnant. Thier reactions upon seeing reporters show even they know that.

DinoDoc takes a position, and I agree with it.

I cannot recall the last time (if ever) that happened.

-Arrian