No Jesus? No Tsunami aid for you!

[Dinner]

Those people are idiots. Then again maybe that sentence should be shortened to "People are idiots".

[Shi Huangdi]

No, they are there to convert. They are using potential aid as a tool in doing so.

If they were there to both help and convert, they would offer aid to anyone who needs it, and paint a good picture of the mythical Christian Values... instead we've seen they're nothing more than inhuman opportunistic bastards.

It's nice that we have a psychic on this board, and that you can see inside their mind to know they don't care at all about the opportunity to help their fellow Christians or people willing to convert.

And bear in mind in their view saving one's soul is much more important then any aid here on Earth.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Asher

How did you hear about it then?

local news broadcast

[GePap]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi


It's nice that we have a psychic on this board, and that you can see inside their mind to know they don't care at all about the opportunity to help their fellow Christians or people willing to convert.

We judge using the only possible evidence-their action. They refused to give aid to those who would not convert- how then is such a judgement off base?

And bear in mind in their view saving one's soul is much more important then any aid here on Earth.

Hard to save souls once they die- maybe it would be more effective to say, give them the aid, then stay to rebuild and then praise Jesus and talk about his soul saving powers.

They didn't do that, did they?

[Q Classic]

They are trying to both help and convert at the same time. And in their view, they are doing them a favor by trying to save people from eternal damnation, something to which as missionaries they have dedicated their lives to. And in the process they are trying to deliver aid to some of the people there.

if that's all they were doing, that's fine.

but it seems as if they were refusing to deliver aid if certain conditions were not met--as in, if they didn't convert, they would not receive aid.

i don't see how you can defend that part of the whole sordid affair.

[Shi Huangdi]

"I don;t give a **** what you think of anyone here in Poly-that is an irrelevant strawman. The question is, what kind of people are these?"

So the next time someone points out some liberal or European who did something bad, you won't pull out some Conservative or American who did something bad that had nothing to do with the OP and start screaming hypocrite? Good.


"To deny giving aid because of someone's religion is repulsive, no matter how much work you did or did not do in order to discriminate."

How about race? Do you condemn the United Negro College Fund who gives money for college for poor African Americans, but not poor white People?

It's far from ideal to only help people like you, but any help given to needy people is a good thing.

"To attempt to convert people at a time of misery is also morally outrageous."

Again, if you believe that you are trying to help these people get into heaven and avoid damnation, it becomes an act of charity.

"The people who did this are terrible human biengs, regardless on whether anyone on Poly, including yourself, is a worthy human being either."

I never said anyone here wasn't a worthy human being, I try to avoid making those judgements.

[Shi Huangdi]

"
We judge using the only possible evidence-their action. They refused to give aid to those who would not convert- how then is such a judgement off base?"

Because you don't know how important the aid distrubting component is to them for the people who they would be distributing it too.

"
Hard to save souls once they die- maybe it would be more effective to say, give them the aid, then stay to rebuild and then praise Jesus and talk about his soul saving powers.

They didn't do that, did they?"

Absolutely, and as I already said I believe they are choosing ineffective means and are doing this the wrong way, but that does not mean that because of their ineffectiveness I view them as bad human beings.

[Proteus_MST]

But obviously these missionaries knew that they were doing something wrong.
Why else should they have left in a hurry as soon as the Reporterteam appeared and started to ask questions?

[Jaakko]

Next up, SH defends the selfless work of another unfairly maligned class of people - ambulance chasing lawyers!

[Asher]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
It's nice that we have a psychic on this board, and that you can see inside their mind to know they don't care at all about the opportunity to help their fellow Christians or people willing to convert.

Um. That much is blatantly obvious if they only help those who will switch to Christianity.

And bear in mind in their view saving one's soul is much more important then any aid here on Earth.

It's still wrong.

A Christian who murders a sinner in an attempt to save his soul is still a murderer...

[GePap]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi

How about race? Do you condemn the United Negro College Fund who gives money for college for poor African Americans, but not poor white People?

Oh, I love the laughable comparisons. If you believe these things are remotely simialr, then you are hopeless.

It's far from ideal to only help people like you, but any help given to needy people is a good thing.

Except they gave NO help to the needy.

Again, if you believe that you are trying to help these people get into heaven and avoid damnation, it becomes an act of charity.

Its an act of Charity to refuse them aid because they won't convert? What a sick an demented idea that is.

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Shi's hypothetical would be more on point if, after the disaster in American, Hindus would have shown up here offering aid only to those who denounce Christ and His teachings.

Perhaps, but in India the Hindus in government regularly deny aid of various sorts to Christians, blocking building licenses for schools and orphanages, arresting pastors for preaching against the caste system, etc.

How many times have you heard a news story only to find out it's only half the story? I don't know what "ANI" is, and Yahoo doesn't explain or link, but we know there are biased news agencies in many places. (Al Jezeera, anyone?) Hindu nationalism is running very strong these days but it just isn't reported in the West.

Perhaps the nuns were looking for a particular village or community of existing converts for whom the aid had been prepared, and rightly refused to give it to others along the way. We don't know, especially based on a solitary 300 word article.

[Dinner]

I doubt anyone would claim these meat heads represent any meaningful number of Christians or Christian groups. Christian organizations have sent billion to assist in disaster relief and some of you ignore that and instead look at a few dozen meat heads.

At least poly is consistant.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi

Because you don't know how important the aid distrubting component is to them for the people who they would be distributing it too.

It rather obvious that getting aid is very important to those who suffered. If giving aid is NOT the primary focus of these people, then don;t go to a disaster area.

Absolutely, and as I already said I believe they are choosing ineffective means and are doing this the wrong way, but that does not mean that because of their ineffectiveness I view them as bad human beings.

Good for you.

[Straybow]

Yes, Oerdin, that too. If one group does something wrong, obviously contrary to the primary tenets represented, everyone knows it. It's no big deal except to the few directly affected.