iPod shuffle, price vs the competition?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
What does this have to do with this argument? You were clearly wrong. Stop trying to change the subject.

Hell even Microsoft admitted that WMP copies itunes.

MS Music Store != Windows Media Player.

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[Giancarlo]

Hey, what's up with that Mini-Mac thing? What a piece of crap.. that's what I said after looking at the specifications. I'm sure you'll really be blazing with an ATI Radeon 9200. Wow.. not. The Mac Mini rocks I see on that article Agathon posted? Really? How so? It is a horrific piece of crap. For $499 I can buy something far better then it based on the AMD Sempron. The Mac Mini can't compete because it just doesn't stack up. I'm sorry.

[Asher]

The Mac Mini obviously isn't intended for people who understand the specs it has, it's for people who:
1) Don't know any better
2) Buy it 'cause it's "cute"

Apple's still aiming for the ignorant, easy customer, but they've set their sights lower now. The Mac Mini is to capture the ignorant, easy customers without as much money to blow as those who buy the iMacs and PowerMacs.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Apple's still aiming for the ignorant, easy customer, but they've set their sights lower now. The Mac Mini is to capture the ignorant, easy customers without as much money to blow as those who buy the iMacs and PowerMacs.

im sorry that your inferiority complex makes you need to put down people who are less computer-oriented in order to feel good about yourself. perhaps a visit to a pshrink would be in order? your hysteria against apple has reached new levels.

[MORON]

Well, it takes two to tangle......

[Asher]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
im sorry that your inferiority complex makes you need to put down people who are less computer-oriented in order to feel good about yourself.

Most people would argue I have a superiority complex, not an inferiority complex.

If the target market is ignorant consumers, then that's just what it is. It's not a put-down as much as it is a description. Feel free to correct me if Apple's target market is not ignorant consumers, and that they're targetting the iPod to technophiles and audiophies...

[Agathon]

Most people would argue I have a superiority complex, not an inferiority complex.

No. It's called "anti-social personality disorder" and you are the second clearest case I've ever seen.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
No. It's called "anti-social personality disorder" and you are the second clearest case I've ever seen.

Stick to Plato, man.

There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others
6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

I am virtually the polar opposite of every one of those attributes.

I have seen a professional psychiatrist (well, two), but that was because I was avoidant, not anti-social. It has nothing to do with this thread, in any case, and is yet another example of you pretending to know something you don't.

I've yet to see a single educated, logical post you've made outside of an ancient philosophy thread.

[Agathon]

Actually, based on your behaviour here you are almost certainly suffering from a mild version. Not all of them end up becoming criminals.

Let's see:

You can add to your (somewhat incomplete) list

Narcissism: clear in your case, many of your threads are simply about you. In a community with many narcissists, you stand head and shoulders above everyone else.

As for the rest:

1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest

This is overstated. Many sociopaths do not engage in criminal activity. Many of them manage to live quite normal lives.

2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure.

Sorry, but this sounds just like you.

3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead.

You will fly off half-cocked at the least provocation or misunderstanding.

4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults.

You are too much of a wimp to get physical, but otherwise this is on the ball.

5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others

Pretty much. You're malicious towards anyone who disagrees with you.

6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations

As I said above, many sociopaths manage a career. I assume this list is more about extreme cases. There is a scale, invented by the world's authority on it, who happens to be a Canadian.

7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

Wow... based on your actions here, that's you again.

Of course, you might be completely different in person, but I doubt it.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Asher
The Mac Mini obviously isn't intended for people who understand the specs it has, it's for people who:
1) Don't know any better
2) Buy it 'cause it's "cute"

Apple's still aiming for the ignorant, easy customer, but they've set their sights lower now. The Mac Mini is to capture the ignorant, easy customers without as much money to blow as those who buy the iMacs and PowerMacs.

Well I can buy a PC that looks cute, but is far better inside then the Mini Mac. Seriously this may push their market share up to about 2.1%. The Mini Mac, or Mac Mini (sounds like some kind of submachine gun or something lol) is of poor quality. And once people realize its inferiority they won't buy it (it probably won't even be able to compete with Celerons). But then again you are right, there are those who don't know any better.. like Agathon.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
Narcissism: clear in your case, many of your threads are simply about you.

Name one.

Sorry, but this sounds just like you.

But it's not -- you say I lie "all the time" and make things up to support my case. That, ironically, is a lie. You always point to the same two examples, both of which are not accurate. For example, the iTunes deleting your music when you moved to a non-USA country with a non-USA credit card -- I didn't make that up, in fact I've linked you to the article many times since. The fact that it doesn't do that any more -- in response to the public backlash, no doubt -- doesn't make it a lie.

You will fly off half-cocked at the least provocation or misunderstanding.

I'm aggressive online, that doesn't make me anti-social. That's also not even what the point said that you quoted -- I'm one of those types who always has to plan a head. I'm not one of those impulsive people. It bothers me to not have a plan...

You are too much of a wimp to get physical, but otherwise this is on the ball.

Aggressive debater = anti-social?

Pretty much. You're malicious towards anyone who disagrees with you.

That doesn't say anything about reckless disregard about the safety of others...

Wow... based on your actions here, that's you again.

Lack of remorse? Just how do you prove that based on Apolyton?

It must be a logical conclusion from the Tsunami-Christian thread, isn't it? How I called the actions of the Christian "aid" workers disgusting and inhumane. Yeah, it sounds like I'm anti-social alright.

Quit playing games, man. You're usually wrong, and you're way off here again. Professional psychiatrists who I've dealt with strongly disagree with you, as does common sense with a list of the symptoms.

You're almost always out of your league, but you'll never admit it, or admit defeat.

I'm aggressive online because I have a low tolerance for ignorance. It's not that I constantly just insult people (though it does get to that point with specific people whose names I won't mention), I try to educate as well. I try to post rational, details arguments with support for my claims. In constrast, you exist just to be a contrarian. Seldom do you actually know what's being talked about, and even more rare is when you can actually build an argument based on facts and logic. You're just here to use whimsical rhetoric and ad hominems.

This thread is a brilliant example. Not only did you first try the smoke-and-mirror approach to debate, you've since abandonded that completely to try to discredit me by trying to analyze my personality now. The best part is, that, too, is wildly inaccurate.

What's next?

[Giancarlo]

Come on Agathon, you know it isn't nice attacking people personally. There are in reality people who actually do have emotional problems you speak and it isn't nice to those who do. I'm narcisstic. And that's my own issue. However, you shouldn't go around insulting people who are.

[Thue]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Well I can buy a PC that looks cute, but is far better inside then the Mini Mac. Seriously this may push their market share up to about 2.1%. The Mini Mac, or Mac Mini (sounds like some kind of submachine gun or something lol) is of poor quality. And once people realize its inferiority they won't buy it (it probably won't even be able to compete with Celerons). But then again you are right, there are those who don't know any better.. like Agathon.

I think I know a thing or two about computers, and I am thinking about buying a MAC mini.

Who cares if they are slower then celerons, they are fast enough for far most uses.

And it is small, and noiseless. And quite cheap, I haven't seem a convincing price comparison for a completely comparable package. And you get to play with OS X, which is probably the best OS user experience available currently (or so I hear).

If nothing else I can run an X server on it, put my current noisy linux athlon 64 3000+ in the basement, and run it over the 100Mbit network when I need the horsepower.

[Asher]

Why is your Athlon 64 3000+ noisy?

My Athlon 64 3200+ is noiseless.

It'll be noisy unless you want to make it noiseless.

If you want small, noiseless, and cheap, buy a mini-ATX motherboard and put a Pentium M in it. Not only is it way faster than the G4, it's way cheaper. And cooler. In fact, a 1.2GHz Pentium M is faster clock-for-click than the G4, and can be cooled with just a heatsink.

[Asher]

Nano-ITX is even smaller.



The whole buzz around the Mac Mini is strange to me. Similar products have been out for ages, and now it's suddenly a new and original thing?