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  • #76
    You can do it better when buying PCs in bulk, especially Sempron based CPUs.

    Sempron? Bleah. If I'm going discount x86, I'd rather have Celerons.

    I hate Macs and I hate any attempts to ever bring them into the market place.

    Well, I'm sorry about that. While Apple isn't a great company, and Macs themselves have issues, the PPC platform itself is a great alternative to the dominant x86 platform. Which is why if ever I get any Mac, the first thing that's going to happen is a full wipe of the HD and a stage 1 Gentoo/PPC install to supplement to the x86 boxes I have now.

    I told you so.

    You didn't tell me anything... You didn't even mention this in your original post about a Mac Mini cluster...
    B♭3

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    • #77
      Here's the other reason, even though I'm not impressed with the Mac Mini's specs, why I don't mind it as much.

      I've always been the one to trash iMacs and other all-in-one models. At least Apple has finally come out with a very basic system that is modular, which was one key problem I had.

      Unfortunately, it still fails the upgradeability requirement, which the Mini/Micro-ATX boards meet (Nano-ITX doesn't really, as of yet...).
      B♭3

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Agathon
        Even Microsoft explicitly admits copying itunes to some degree. It's common knowledge.
        That's news to me -- are you basing this off your earlier quote about MS saying Apple set a "high standard" with the iTMS? If it is, I'm sorry to point this out to you a second time, but the music store is not the player. Exhibit C of Mac User reading into a quote what he wants to hear, not what is actually said.

        Not another one of your "the article doesn't say what it most obviously says" arguments. I remember the last one of these: the man who meant that the ipod was worse than Creative's players, despite explicitly saying the opposite in the conclusion of his argument.
        No, that was another blatant example of your Mac Cult in you reading what you want to read. The article compares WMP to iTunes and notes that WMP had some features iTunes also had. It doesn't mention anything like other apps having those features before iTunes did, either. This does not equate to saying WMP is a "poor immitation of iTunes", in any way.

        Your type are notorious for this. You're so used to bad news with Apple it's a subconscious thing you've developed over the years, to read into articles that are not intended.

        Because you are certifiable.
        I am certified, MCSE and A+. They're fairly worthless.
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Asher

          That's news to me -- are you basing this off your earlier quote about MS saying Apple set a "high standard" with the iTMS? If it is, I'm sorry to point this out to you a second time, but the music store is not the player. Exhibit C of Mac User reading into a quote what he wants to hear, not what is actually said.


          What the New York Times said:

          "Apple set the bar very high," a Microsoft manger admitted. "We're trying to match that. We told our developers, 'Look at how Apple does it.'"


          In what alternate universe does this not mean, "imitate Apple's way"? Is he saying "look at the way Apple does it, and do it some other way"?

          Of course not.

          As for Thurrott:

          Fans of iTunes might be confused for thinking this product is a melding of both iTunes and WMP 9.


          What does this mean? Does it mean that WMP 10 is nothing like itunes?

          Of course not.

          Does it mean that MS has made WMP 10 more like itunes?

          That is the obvious interpretation, one that is confirmed by actually looking at it.

          How do you make one thing more like something else? You imitate it.

          No, that was another blatant example of your Mac Cult in you reading what you want to read. The article compares WMP to iTunes and notes that WMP had some features iTunes also had. It doesn't mention anything like other apps having those features before iTunes did, either. This does not equate to saying WMP is a "poor immitation of iTunes", in any way.


          Thurrott thinks that itunes is a better music player with a better interface. Quotes can be found in my previous post.

          Thurrott thinks (as does any rational being who looks at the two) that MS has made WMP more like itunes.

          So can distill two statements: "WMP is a worse music player than itunes" and "WMP is trying to be like itunes".

          Together these imply that MS tried to make their player more itunes like and failed, coming up with something that he (Thurrott) thinks isn't as good.

          Your type are notorious for this. You're so used to bad news with Apple it's a subconscious thing you've developed over the years, to read into articles that are not intended.


          It's called being able to read. That's what he says. Of course, it's his opinion which one may or may not agree with, but that is what he says.

          But what's the point of actually reading the articles when you can accuse people of being in a cult?
          Only feebs vote.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Agathon
            What the New York Times said:

            "Apple set the bar very high," a Microsoft manger admitted. "We're trying to match that. We told our developers, 'Look at how Apple does it.'"


            In what alternate universe does this not mean, "imitate Apple's way"? Is he saying "look at the way Apple does it, and do it some other way"?

            Of course not.
            You're playing games again, and you intentionally took that quote out of context. Getting desperate?

            The beginning of that quote was:
            The Microsoft music store (in beta at music.msn.com) couldn't look more like Apple's iTunes music store (itunes.com) if you ran it through a copying machine."


            It should be pretty clear that they're talking about the Microsoft Music Store, and not Windows Media Player...

            As for Thurrott:

            What does this mean? Does it mean that WMP 10 is nothing like itunes?

            Of course not.

            Does it mean that MS has made WMP 10 more like itunes?

            That is the obvious interpretation, one that is confirmed by actually looking at it.

            How do you make one thing more like something else? You imitate it.
            It means WMP10 gained some features -- like the quicksearch -- that have been a staple in other media players well before even iTunes. Paul is a columnist, he's entitled to his opinion, but I don't see him calling WMP a "poor imitation" of iTunes. At BEST, I see him saying some useful features in iTunes made it into WMP as well. But iTunes didn't originate thse features either.

            Your quote was a stretch, and can only be interpreted as calling WMP a poor immitation of iTunes if you twist and manipulate it like you want to do.

            Thurrott thinks that itunes is a better music player with a better interface. Quotes can be found in my previous post.

            Thurrott thinks (as does any rational being who looks at the two) that MS has made WMP more like itunes.

            So can distill two statements: "WMP is a worse music player than itunes" and "WMP is trying to be like itunes".
            Again, you're jumping to conclusions.

            1) He never said WMP copied iTunes, he said WMP10 shares some new features found in iTunes -- features which existed in players like Winamp well before iTunes or WMP10 had them)
            2) He says people used to iTunes would probably not switch for a music player only, but he still has praise for WMP10 as well -- and it does far more than iTunes anyway. You would need to explain why a product he praises (even if he says it may not be the best for a particular task), is "poor".

            This is stupid, anyway. I asked for a quote of Thurrott calling WMP a poor immitation of iTunes, and I've yet to receive one. All I've gotten was snippits from you saying he thinks iTunes users won't switch to WMP, and that they have similar features in WMP10.

            Winamp > iTunes/WMP in any case.

            But what's the point of actually reading the articles when you can accuse people of being in a cult?
            It's not an accusation, it's an observation. Many Mac-buyers are startlingly cult-like...
            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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            • #81
              I still don't see why you can call WMP10 an immitation of iTunes. Not only is it substantially more powerful (in terms of skinning/themeing, plugins, video support, etc), it looks totally different...


              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #82
                i mostly like that WMP has a real Stop button, rather than only a Pause.

                'course, when iTunes finally incorporates this, the Cult will speak of how innovative that feature is.
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                • #83
                  Ewww. Itunes. Just downloaded it, tried it out, rejected it.
                  Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                  -Richard Dawkins

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                  • #84
                    You're playing games again, and you intentionally took that quote out of context. Getting desperate?


                    No. I'm just getting bored of your jumping through hoops to disguise your own idiocy.

                    What Thurrott says is quite obvious.
                    Only feebs vote.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Starchild
                      Ewww. Itunes. Just downloaded it, tried it out, rejected it.
                      Virtually everyone I know was the same. Apple was recently bragging about all the iTunes downloads, but that's because so many of us were curious just why so many people were raving about it.

                      We installed it and played with it, and rejected it...

                      Agathon still talks about software being one of the primary motivations for buying the iPod, which I cannot fathom. Most people seem to hate iTunes, and most people buying iPods probably don't give a rats ass about what PC software it uses.
                      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                      • #86
                        It's all a mute point anyway. Sooner or later, full fledged mp3 players will be absorbed into mobile phones just like everything else.
                        Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                        -Richard Dawkins

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Starchild
                          It's all a mute point anyway.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #88
                            I'm really trying hard to figure out is that was a subtle pun or just generally idiocy on my part.
                            Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                            -Richard Dawkins

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                            • #89
                              By the way, Agathon. Consider yourself pwn3d.

                              I actually emailed Paul Thurrott to get his take.

                              Hi Paul,

                              I was hoping you could help me settle a silly disagreement I have with a friend of mine, regarding your review of Windows Media Player 10. He asserts that it's clear in your WMP10 review (http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/wmp10.asp) that you think WMP10 is an "inferior copy of iTunes". Do you agree or disagree with that assertion?


                              His response:
                              No, I don't think WMP 10 is an inferior copy of iTunes. I do believe that Microsoft tried to make WMP 10 as simple as iTunes, though it hasn't quite met that goal. On the other hand, WMP 10's primary advantage over iTunes--and it's a big one--is that it's extensible by third party services, and can host those services. So with iTunes, you get the iTunes Music Store, and that's it. With WMP10, you gain access to all kinds of online services, many of which are quite a bit better than the iTunes Music Store. This extensibility also allows third parties to create solutions that would otherwise be impossible. For example, MediaFour's XPlay lets the iPod work from within WMP 10.

                              I like the simplicity of Apple's iTunes, and it's certainly "lighter" than WMP 10. But like most things in life, there's no black and white answer to which one is better, iTunes or WMP 10. They both have certain advantages.


                              PM me an email address and I can forward it to you.

                              As I said, you read what you want to hear into articles and columns, not what is actually said.

                              He states -- as I said -- the goal of WMP10 was to simplify the UI, not to copy iTunes.
                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Q Cubed
                                You can do it better when buying PCs in bulk, especially Sempron based CPUs.

                                Sempron? Bleah. If I'm going discount x86, I'd rather have Celerons.
                                You're foolish at best. Semprons have more cache and run at better speeds. They are basically Athlon XPs but better. Celerons are horrid.

                                the PPC platform itself is a great alternative to the dominant x86 platform.
                                No it is not. It can't be. Why? It isn't useful. Again Apple forgets what the word "useful" means.
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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