The war.. is imminent

[Kropotkin]

Was Karelia ever part of Finland? Wikipedia says it was Swedish, then became Russian due to the Treaty of Ã…bo.

As Finland first belonged to Sweden and then Russia, that wouldn't really come as a suprise, would it?

[Nubclear]

Oh, maybe you shouldn't have had the Soviet Union collapse and thus bring about a much poorer and, irionically, a much more despotically inclined government that now wants to act imperialist sensing that it can easily become at least a great power again.

Your mistake

[Pekka]

We didn't collapse SU. SU collapsed SU. Again, no one is oppressing.... the problem is not them being a great power. The problem is they don't give a **** who gets smashed in the process.

[PLATO]

The title of this thread is a bit frightening. I hope it really isn't that serious.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by PLATO
The title of this thread is a bit frightening. I hope it really isn't that serious.

Do you really think Russia would attack an EU country in our time?

[Sava]

I have no idea what's going on....

[Evil Knevil]

Re: The war.. is imminent

Originally posted by Pekka
Sign 5)

The latest sign is when state's TV channel RTR connected us to Russia once again. They did draw the border but made it even more clear with putting their flag on the center of our fair country. Channel known for being the amplifier of Kreml.

That's the stations logo, you nutjob! It's always in the top right corner.

Paranoia, Another thing to add to the list of "Things wrong with Finland"

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Do you really think Russia would attack an EU country in our time?

Stranger things have happened. Putin seems determined to make Russia a military power again. One would hope that this would not be possible in our time, but how can you be sure. We have seen an example of bad intelligence supporting a war effort just recently. Who knows what kind of advice is flying around the Kremlin these days?

[Evil Knevil]

Originally posted by PLATO


Stranger things have happened. Putin seems determined to make Russia a military power again. One would hope that this would not be possible in our time, but how can you be sure. We have seen an example of bad intelligence supporting a war effort just recently. Who knows what kind of advice is flying around the Kremlin these days?

Means, motive and opportunity?

What could they get from Finland, unless they tried to conquer the whole country, which nobody would allow?

[Pekka]

No it's really not imminent, but the dirty boxing has already started. It's no surprise, that most teenager think we are part of Russia and/ or alteast SHOULD be. That nationalism is in the rise. All it takes is few high profile guys, and it's on. It's not the level of these news. It's nothing new. It's the interval. It's been mroe frequent every time, plus, it always comes from higher and higher up, the words have been used like terrorists etc.

Then the president pulls it back saying they don't know what they're talking about and calms our president down and says they're just stupid and out of line. This is the good cop bad cop. It's not like we're THAT stupid. Our region would still be valuable and important for various of reasons. It's not a surrpise at all, and the trheat level has risen. Not to immidiate threat, but to 'it's lifting it's head again' level. This is a fact, and we need to be careful now and in the future and keep a close eye how things develop. It might not be the current admin, it might be the powers wanting to be the next admin. There's 0 respect for us in there, and it's not like there needs to be but the attitudes are more violent and threatning than they were, say 10 years ago. Still less threatning than say 20 years ago, or 30 years ago, but the trend is going back to that, and we need to watch out and play this smart, or else we will be announcned the next terrorists by some weird reason.

[floppy_lobster]

Seroiusly this is not 1940. The United States nor Europe would stand by an attack on finland. Russia would be toast.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by PLATO
Stranger things have happened. Putin seems determined to make Russia a military power again. One would hope that this would not be possible in our time, but how can you be sure. We have seen an example of bad intelligence supporting a war effort just recently. Who knows what kind of advice is flying around the Kremlin these days?

Don't forget Iraq was seen as a walk in the park before the invasion: it had it all: people who'll dance in the streets as soon as they'd see American troops, no serious army to speak of, no allies that couldn't be bullied, and a previous war where most American casualties were caused by accidents.

If you look at Finland, you have the experience of a very difficult and costly war in the past, Finland has powerful allies (the EU), which are incidentally the main income source of Russia, and the Finnish population is sure to hate the Russians.
That, and the fact that the Russian army can't definitely deal with Chechnya of all places. And the additional bonus that there is nothing to obtain by invading Finland, save lakes (the dynamism of the Finnish economy is based on its population, and not natural resources)

If Russia wanted to be an imperial power again, it would attack a much easier place, where there is more to win. Some State along the Caspian Sea would be best: small, nearly defenseless, rather isolated, and full of oil

[Spiffor]

Re: Re: The war.. is imminent

Originally posted by Evil Knevil
That's the stations logo, you nutjob! It's always in the top right corner.

The station logo is "Russia" with a Russian flag?

But seriously, considering this as a declarition of war is like saying the US wants to invade the Czech Republic for the sake of the Swiss (link)

[Evil Knevil]

Re: Re: Re: The war.. is imminent

Originally posted by Spiffor

The station logo is "Russia" with a Russian flag?

Yup.

[Pekka]

Right, I'm not saying they're going to attack anytime soon. But the hater campagn has started. That's the dirty boxing.

It is really important to understand how it works, or you can't see the strategy behind it.

The strategy is really simple. You give a small threat, and then you pull it back. Then you give it again, and pull it back. Repeat. At times make it more frequent, and then freeze it. Study how we react.

This is to get what you want. This is to get what you want by not starting official hostilities. This is how you get deals done. Because you want to see who the whores are, ready to do anything not to start bad dialogue, and then you start praising them. You give them a little power, virtual power by being smilie smilie with those people, now it is our president, who is known *****. Then you play with those people. This is how you basically play out all the ones you don't want to play with, and gather yourself around with people who you can either a) intimidate or b) they like you anyway. In our case, people who you can intimidate. This is very easy.

Now you can control and say JUMP or SIT DOWN and SHUT UP. This is the campagn that is starting. It's very clear. It's not war, but it's dirty boxing. Now, the threat of war comes from when the current trend of hardcore lefties pissing their pants and moving to their own little laalaa country start beginning. And we get some politicians with backbone in the parliament who say we do our own politics THANK you very much. This is when the threats get larger. This is when you start having problems in the border and install different protocols where the life in there gets tough, because no one knows what papers to use today. This is very easy and simple and how you do it.

Then the next thing is to blame us for all the troubles. Local people, hating us. Now it's all our fault. Now the relations are officially strating to slowly get worse. Not to hostile nations, but worse. You praise few businesses and say we must work together and we have lots of common interests. Then you bring out few deals you want to push thorugh. Like the abandoning of visa. Now you look to those weak elements who you can intimidate or bribe or what ever. However if you can't find them and you are facing with tough negotiators who are not giving it up, because it is not in their interest to do so, you are facing a wall.

And this wall is the real beginning of the real threat. You have started the dirty boxing way earlier, and the hating campagn. This is important. You don't want to have a situation where you give threats and no one understands why or no one supports them. You need that. At least so they can understand it, they will eat the oppressing theory like always.

Now we are a hostile nation, even though we haven't yet done anything or responded. But we are already in hostilities, one sided, but it seems like we started it all.

Now it's play ball. And this is the time we have to respond, and it won't be 'OK what ever sir we'll get on our knees'.
And the problems begin.

Now, we won't be the first ones though. But you have to start the campagn early on, especially with us. With the baltic nations, you can start it later on, and in fact they are always badmouthing and threatning baltic nations anyway, it just doens't reach your news.

and why would it be done.. to rise again., to glory, and in the process lot of small ones get smashed. The EU is a *****, it's not a problem if you play it right, if you make it look lkie you have the right and other ones are pushing.