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Originally posted by BeBro
You can't separate them from the context in which they are produced and aired.
You can't separate them from the context in which they are produced and aired.
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The context being farfetched made-for-TV melodrama.Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse
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....the problem is that it is not that farfetched for some. And that has nothing to do with Arabs (edit: oh yeah, its Iranians here
) being generally stupid, but with the availability of alternative sources.
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One is labeled fiction, the other is not. One is sold for commercial purposes. The others sole purpose is to incite hatred against a religious/ethnic group identified with enemies of the state.Originally posted by General Ludd
In what way?
They both serve as "midday melodrama" and both have the effect of drawing an audiance which watches out of a curious fasination with how ridiculously bizzare and far-fetched it can be... and maybe a few complete morons who actually take it seriously and come away from it with completely distorted view of reality.
Ludds defense would jusitfy 19th century blood libels, Goebells propaganda (godwin be damned). This IS a blood libel. And Im NOT sure that no one in that part of the world beleives it (i would defer to Oerdin, who has spent more time recently in that part of the world)."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Nieher is far fetched, for some. They both thrive off superstition.Originally posted by Bebro
....the problem is that it is not that farfetched for some.
In Iran, the boogyeman is a Zionist.
In America, the boogeyman is anyone that's strange.Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse
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Originally posted by General Ludd
Nieher is far fetched, for some. They both thrive off superstition.
In Iran, the boogyeman is a Zionist.
In America, the boogeyman is anyone that's strange.
I think we're getting somewhere.
I will say that in the US there are support groups for people with all sorts of exceptional qualities, (Ive had reason to learn in the past few months more than I ever would have wanted to know about the "twice exceptional" IE Gifted children with learning disabilities) Are there support groups for Zionists in Iran?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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That's very simplistic. You can't ignore the general problems with anti-semitism in controlled media in the ME. That has serious consequences for the hate-filled climate in the region. The impact of some soap opera(s) in US tv is something completely different.Originally posted by General Ludd
In Iran, the boogyeman is a Zionist.
In America, the boogeyman is anyone that's strange.BlahComment
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Originally posted by BeBro
That's very simplistic. You can't ignore the general problems with anti-semitism in controlled media in the ME. That has serious consequences for the hate-filled climate in the region. The impact of some soap opera(s) in US tv is something completely different.
No, bebro, I think we're missing something. There ARE people who are ostracized in the western democracies ( i think in Germany and Canada as well as the US) for problems with social skills, etc (IE "strange") This is quite a serious issue. I think some posters here may be particularly sensitive to it. While I still dont feel its comparable to the attitudes towards Jews in Iran, I certainly recognize validity to the sensitivity. Certainly at a games site, we should be sensitive to this."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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What, didn't you know that Israeli Coke has palestinian kids' blood in it?I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
No, bebro, I think we're missing something. There ARE people who are ostracized in the western democracies ( i think in Germany and Canada as well as the US) for problems with social skills, etc (IE "strange") This is quite a serious issue. I think some posters here may be particularly sensitive to it. While I still dont feel its comparable to the attitudes towards Jews in Iran, I certainly recognize validity to the sensitivity. Certainly at a games site, we should be sensitive to this.
We don't claim strange people decide to steal dozens of organs to transplant into one person*
*clearly, such a person would be strange, but that's a separate issue
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Hm, but isn't it usually the thing that most of our tv productions are sooo politically correct in every way that it is rather boring? The only exception I can think of are some talkshows, when people flame eachother like there's no tomorrow, but beside this I can't remember anything special. Often being strange is rather sold as being something special, individual, crazy (in the positive sense). Of course that's from the German perspectice, we have only two public tv stations, and some dozen private stations.Originally posted by lord of the mark
No, bebro, I think we're missing something. There ARE people who are ostracized in the western democracies ( i think in Germany and Canada as well as the US) for problems with social skills, etc (IE "strange") This is quite a serious issue.BlahComment
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Yes, they just steal people's souls and turn them against their friends, while ploting to destroy all 'goodness' in society.Originally posted by Kuciwalker
We don't claim strange people decide to steal dozens of organs to transplant into one person*
*clearly, such a person would be strange, but that's a separate issue
I'm not particularily concerned with the percieved message of these shows - I'm just pointing out this show is of the same breed as western soaps. And I don't ever see people going around worrying about the "messages" that soaps are spreading. Which is, of course, because these shows are just stupid and far fetched -anyone who believes the crap they talk about is a superstisious moron who probably thinks that way already.Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse
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I'm just pointing out this show is of the same breed as western soaps.
What a silly thing to say.
-Arriangrog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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Why do you think that?Originally posted by Arrian
What a silly thing to say.
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Do you believe american soaps to be of a higher callibre? Did you read the story line that I posted?Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse
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"Higher caliber?" No, not really. They're crap.
However, LotM said it well when he said:
-ArrianOne is labeled fiction, the other is not. One is sold for commercial purposes. The others sole purpose is to incite hatred against a religious/ethnic group identified with enemies of the state.grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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Ludd, I'd say SW: Episode 1 isn't of higher caliber. It's apples and oranges.Comment
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