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  • #76
    MS may not be making the hardware itself, but that's beside the point -- MS does have a portable media product, and it is open.




    Another Asher confusing the topic tactic. Why in the Hell would a company make software for MP3 players closed when it DOESN'T MAKE MP3 PLAYERS ITSELF? Where would the software be used?

    Think, would you?
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • #77
      Another Asher confusing the topic tactic. Why in the Hell would a company make software for MP3 players closed when it DOESN'T MAKE MP3 PLAYERS ITSELF? Where would the software be used?

      Think, would you?


      Don't confuse the boy, Imran.
      Only feebs vote.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Asher
        You couldn't see how unsolicited email could be considered spam from a 1998-era spam filter?

        Honestly now, UR...
        You just have to show me what kind of keywords were common to greeting cards and spam that sold sex aid and bootlegged software.

        Originally posted by Asher
        All the patch did was add Blue Mountain's sending email to an exception list.

        Which is something they could've asked MS to do in the first place, rather than just suing them...
        IIRC, Blue Mountain tried that first, to no avail.
        (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
        (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
        (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Atahualpa
          However the cure for market dominance is the market itself. Within enough time reasonable alternatives will pop up.
          In the mean time, consumers suffer, and competition got rolled over. That's why anti-trust laws are in place.
          (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
          (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
          (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


            Another Asher confusing the topic tactic. Why in the Hell would a company make software for MP3 players closed when it DOESN'T MAKE MP3 PLAYERS ITSELF? Where would the software be used?

            Think, would you?
            Take your own advice, Imran.

            Microsoft makes money by selling and licensing software to companies who actually make the MP3 players. Kind of like...oh, I don't know -- here's a wild example -- Microsoft Windows on the PC.

            You don't need to produce the hardware to have a huge stake and huge business strategy with a piece of hardware.

            Don't you get it? They're completely the same strategy -- MS makes software that individual PC makers buy and license. Apple makes the "whole package" and locks out anyone who tries to compete, which results in ridiculous price premiums for Apple products.

            Think!

            To answer your question specifically -- Microsoft license WMA out to anyone who wants it, not just companies that buy Microsoft's Portable Media OS. Apple does not provides AAC w/ FairPlay to anyone, and in fact actively goes after people who offer it if it's not them.
            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Urban Ranger
              You just have to show me what kind of keywords were common to greeting cards and spam that sold sex aid and bootlegged software.
              It's an unsolicited email asking the user to come visit a website...

              Do you really need someone to hold your hand an explain why this could easily be labeled as "spam" by a computer algorithm?

              IIRC, Blue Mountain tried that first, to no avail.
              You don't recall correctly -- they went straight for the lawsuit, in typical American fashion.

              Why ask when they knew they had a chance of wringing some money from someone they knew had a lot?

              Don't paint this as a victory against Microsoft, it's actually a sad, pathetic fact of reality for such a ruthlessly capitalistic society like the US is. A communist such as yourself should not condone such behavior, let alone flaunt it.
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #82
                actually, my litmus test these days for buying hardware is whether or not it works in linux.

                which is why i refuse to buy an ipod, and why i do not like ATi graphics cards.

                it is immaterial whether or not i spend more time in linux or windows--it's the principle.

                and imho, apple doing the same things microsoft does eats into the mac fanbois' knee-jerk reactions that apple omfg t3h r0x0rz and not t3h 3v1l.

                come back to me when you can assemble a ppc computing device by shopping around for parts.
                B♭3

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Asher
                  It's an unsolicited email asking the user to come visit a website...

                  Do you really need someone to hold your hand an explain why this could easily be labeled as "spam" by a computer algorithm?
                  A very incompetent spam filter, perhaps, since people ask their friends to go visit websites all the time.

                  Again, spam filters of that era looked for words that were likely to appear in spam, in addtion to perhaps a list of known spammer addresses. Since it's quite unlikely that any of those words would appear on a notice to receive a greeting card, the behaviour of the filter was highly suspect.

                  Originally posted by Asher
                  You don't recall correctly -- they went straight for the lawsuit, in typical American fashion.
                  Cite?

                  Originally posted by Asher
                  Why ask when they knew they had a chance of wringing some money from someone they knew had a lot?
                  This is incorrect. Blue Mountain did not ask for any money, just MS fixing OE so people can receive e-mail from them.

                  Originally posted by Asher
                  Don't paint this as a victory against Microsoft, it's actually a sad, pathetic fact of reality for such a ruthlessly capitalistic society like the US is. A communist such as yourself should not condone such behavior, let alone flaunt it.
                  This is also incorrect. A communist will always root for fairness. It is clear that Microsoft was trying to muscle into another market via their domination of the computer desktop.
                  (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                  (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                  (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                    A very incompetent spam filter, perhaps
                    The year was 1998...

                    Nearly 7 years ago. Spam Filters were anything but competent back then.

                    Cite?
                    It doesn't make sense for me to cite that they haven't done something, it makes sense for you to cite that they did do something...

                    This is incorrect. Blue Mountain did not ask for any money, just MS fixing OE so people can receive e-mail from them.
                    Is this some kind of joke?

                    Blue Mountain filed a lawsuit and asked for money, and received millions of dollars...

                    Like hell they did not ask for any money.

                    This is also incorrect. A communist will always root for fairness.
                    If communists were about fairness, they wouldn't censor their media so heavily...and they wouldn't close threads that they have a personal dislike for alone.
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #85
                      When is Asher applying for a job at Micro$oft
                      "An archaeologist is the best husband a women can have; the older she gets, the more interested he is in her." - Agatha Christie
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                      • #86
                        Old jokes rehashed by people who don't understand what's going on are funny in ways they are not intended.
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Asher
                          Is this some kind of joke?

                          Blue Mountain filed a lawsuit and asked for money, and received millions of dollars...

                          Like hell they did not ask for any money.
                          Cite?

                          Originally posted by Asher
                          If communists were about fairness, they wouldn't censor their media so heavily...
                          You are confusing "equality" with "liberty."

                          Originally posted by Asher
                          and they wouldn't close threads that they have a personal dislike for alone.
                          You're upset because I locked your flame-baiting thread. Kids.
                          (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                          (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                          (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                            Cite?
                            Huh? You want me to give a citation for the assertion that when someone sues Microsoft, they're looking for money?

                            This has to be a joke.

                            You are confusing "equality" with "liberty."
                            Communists.

                            If you censor your news, you're not being fair to the public. They're not at liberty to hear things from uncensored sources.

                            You're upset because I locked your flame-baiting thread. Kids.
                            You locked the thread telling people to calm down, when the people in the thread were clearly calm.

                            The fact that you're now changing your story tells me just how little base there was, other than personal grudge.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #89
                              Apple benefits from no path dependence. Its easy to buy a competitors product.


                              Yes. But don't hold your breath for an acknowledgment of this elementary point.

                              An anticompetitive monopoly is one that prevents a market from forming properly. When there is no prospect of a market forming there cannot be an anticompetitive monopoly.

                              Asher often cites Apple's control of both software and hardware as being an anticompetitive monopoly, when it has been proved that a competitive market for Macintosh computers just doesn't work (the cloning debacle).

                              I've been trying to bash this into his thick skull for nearly two years now and he still doesn't get it.
                              Only feebs vote.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Asher
                                Huh? You want me to give a citation for the assertion that when someone sues Microsoft, they're looking for money?

                                This has to be a joke.
                                So you have nothing to back up your assertions. No surprises there.

                                Originally posted by Asher
                                If you censor your news, you're not being fair to the public. They're not at liberty to hear things from uncensored sources.
                                You're still confused. How is that not fair?

                                Originally posted by Asher
                                You locked the thread telling people to calm down, when the people in the thread were clearly calm.
                                That's not for you to judge, since some of your posts in that thread clearly showed that you were in an agitated state.

                                Originally posted by Asher
                                The fact that you're now changing your story tells me just how little base there was, other than personal grudge.
                                It's not the first time you made bald assertions -- not even in the message I am replying to.

                                Keep them comin'
                                (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                                (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                                (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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