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  • #31
    Apple is bad for consumers, period.

    They don't believe in the free market.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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    • #32
      Apple is bad for consumers, period.

      They don't believe in the free market.


      And Microsoft do?

      I suppose that the three people who bought songs off of Real might be annoyed, but who cares about them?
      Only feebs vote.

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      • #33
        DOWN WITH ALL PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE!!!!

        LINUX RULES!!

        LIN-PODS NOW !!!
        Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators, the creator seeks - those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest. - Thus spoke Zarathustra, Fredrick Nietzsche

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Agathon
          Apple is bad for consumers, period.

          They don't believe in the free market.


          And Microsoft do?
          Apparently.

          MS has their own online music store, but their media player also integrates with competing stores, and they license their codec to anyone who asks.

          Nice troll attempt, but it fails due to your lack of knowledge.
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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          • #35
            apple will be the next MS when

            A.You HAVE to buy Ipod (or whatever), cause like you need your home ipod to be easily compatible with your one at work, and at work they use apple. B. You buy Ipod cause theres hardly any music for other players. C. You try to use non apple software and you are regularly frustrated trying to exchange files with people.

            Ive been in all of these situations. Im have been frustrated as hell over the years with MS products, but when ive tried alternatives found it quite difficult - and im NOT enough of a computer geek to rely on all the computer geek solutions you guys are gonna offer.


            M$
            "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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            • #36
              Originally posted by lord of the mark
              apple will be the next MS when

              A.You HAVE to buy Ipod (or whatever), cause like you need your home ipod to be easily compatible with your one at work, and at work they use apple.
              This is already true, provided your work uses the iTunes Music Store as well (which effectively has a monopoly on the legal music download market, like MS has with desktop Oses)

              B. You buy Ipod cause theres hardly any music for other players.
              This has nothing to do with Microsoft or Apple, but independent software vendors/record labels.

              C. You try to use non apple software and you are regularly frustrated trying to exchange files with people.
              Already true with popular formats like WMA and OGG.
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #37
                [QUOTE] Originally posted by Asher

                >This is already true, provided your work uses the iTunes Music Store as well (which effectively has a monopoly on the legal music download market, like MS has with desktop Oses)


                yah, well, ive never worked anywhere that used a music store. Everywhere ive worked had PCs with OS's though. And i bought my first PC counting on being able to take work home. Having already been through the frustration of trying to share docs with another part of the firm that used macs, i decided we had to have a Win machine. I now work somewhere where were discouraged from doing work at home on an unapproved machine. But now my daughter has to get docs from the school system, etc.

                My point is about the network economies that lock so many in to lousy software, and which M$ profits from.
                "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                • #38
                  Mac OS X can exchange files with Windows.

                  If you have Mac OS Classic (8 or 9), you have to get a program called PCMACLAN and install that on every Windows PC. It's not free however and I don't like it.
                  Alternatively you can get an admin to set up a Linux Box and install netatalk and samba and exchange files using this box as intermediate.

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                  • #39
                    [QUOTE] Originally posted by lord of the mark
                    Originally posted by Asher
                    yah, well, ive never worked anywhere that used a music store.
                    Don't be so dense -- they're not saying Apple will monopolise the PC industry and lock out competition, just that they're doing it with the digital music industry.
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Asher

                      Don't be so dense -- they're not saying Apple will monopolise the PC industry and lock out competition, just that they're doing it with the digital music industry.
                      I guess i dont see all the same drivers of network economies in music as in the PC industry. You buy a player, you find a store, as long as the stores exist, youre free of everyone else. PCs youre kinda tied in with the rest of the world.
                      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Atahualpa
                        Mac OS X can exchange files with Windows.

                        If you have Mac OS Classic (8 or 9), you have to get a program called PCMACLAN and install that on every Windows PC. It's not free however and I don't like it.
                        Alternatively you can get an admin to set up a Linux Box and install netatalk and samba and exchange files using this box as intermediate.
                        I knew y'all would get geeky on me.
                        "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by lord of the mark
                          I guess i dont see all the same drivers of network economies in music as in the PC industry. You buy a player, you find a store, as long as the stores exist, youre free of everyone else. PCs youre kinda tied in with the rest of the world.
                          The issue is if you buy an Apple player, you're tied with Apple's music store and music software on your computer.

                          Period.

                          That's blatant vendor lock-in, compared to the free market tactics of MS.

                          It's a bit of a role reversal.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Asher

                            The issue is if you buy an Apple player, you're tied with Apple's music store and music software on your computer.

                            Period.

                            That's blatant vendor lock-in, compared to the free market tactics of MS.

                            It's a bit of a role reversal.
                            yeah, but you know about it when you buy the ipod. Your choice. Its like buying a printer, and then you gotta buy their overpriced ink. You are free to compare the ink prices when you buy the printer. Thats a free market. Vendor lockin isnt the opposite of free market, its another strategy IN a free market. The opposite of free market is monopoly power, and I see MS doing that, strengthened by network economies, and I dont see Apple doing that.
                            "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                            • #44
                              The only difference between Apple and MS is Apple has a far stronger grip. It's that reason that Apple isn't nearly as large and successful as MS is, and it's that reason that they aren't in trouble with anti-trust issues.

                              Apple is Microsoft, but more evil, and they even have a cult of followers that worship them and buy whatever they sell.

                              There's an interesting book out now called the "Cult of Mac".
                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Asher
                                Apple is Microsoft, but more evil, and they even have a cult of followers that worship them and buy whatever they sell.
                                Gotta love it when the pot calls the kettle black
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