The Offseason Baseball Thread

[Arrian]

I think they just bought a guy who will make ~25-30 starts per year, on extra rest as much as possible (that's what the Sox did, anyway), and have an ERA around 3 (National League, and I don't think he's declined as much as last year's ERA would seem to indicate). 6 innings, maybe 7, per start.

If they do that, they can eek several years out of him, I think. If not, he will most likely suffer serious injury. I don't think the Mets - or Pedro for that matter - are really that stupid, though.

In any event, that's a valueable pitcher right there. #2 or #3 in the rotation... and come playoff time (if the Mets even make the playoffs!), he's extra valueable because he can reach back and produce flashes of true brilliance. But they still overpaid, in money and years.

-Arrian

[Stuie]

Red Sox have apparently signed Renteria (which always sounds like a venereal disease to me) - 4 years $40 million.

Cue LoA....


Edit: spelling

[Moral Hazard]

Boston Globe is saying Renteria signed a 4 year 40 million dollar deal with the Sox. Your 0 for 3 now LoA.

Edit: Damn I was beat to the punch.

[Stuie]

Originally posted by bfg9000
Theres a rumor that Phils are trying to get Kent Mercker from Cubs

I've seen Chris Hammond and David Weathers mentioned also. Chances are they won't do anything until after the 12/20 non-tender deadline.

[Arrian]

Renteria is a damn good player - one of the elite SS's in the game. He's been better than Nomar for a while now, at any rate

Good signing by the Sox. Theo knows what he's doing, LoA, appreciate it!

-Arrian

[monkspider]

I heard the Nationals just cancelled their uniform unveiling ceremony today, uh-oh....

[Arrian]

What a cluster****!

-Arrian

[Lawrence of Arabia]

what a bad thing to wake up to in the morning i hope he fails his physical

[Arrian]

Who? Pedro or Renteria? Either way, you're nuts.

Losing Pedro may actually end up being a positive thing for the Sox.

Adding Renteria is DEFINITELY a positive thing for the Sox. He's an excellent player. I'm not sure if he's worth $10 million/yr., but in comparison to certain other SS's I can think of *coughJetercough* it looks pretty good.

-Arrian

[Imran Siddiqui]

The Phils rescued this guy from the scrap heap several years back and got lucky when this guy had the best year of his career for them, winning 15 or 16. He has never approached that since.

Not true.

His BEST year was in 2002 with Kansas City when he went 17-11 with a career low ERA of 3.90.

http://www.baseballreference.com/b/byrdpa01.shtml

He seems to be a decent pitcher when healthy, but healthy is the key word.

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And Loa... HAHAHA! TOLD YOU! I win again!

And Renteria is head and shoulders above Cabrera. One of the best SS in the league.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

Originally posted by Arrian
Who? Pedro or Renteria? Either way, you're nuts.

Losing Pedro may actually end up being a positive thing for the Sox.

Adding Renteria is DEFINITELY a positive thing for the Sox. He's an excellent player. I'm not sure if he's worth $10 million/yr., but in comparison to certain other SS's I can think of *coughJetercough* it looks pretty good.

-Arrian

renteria. cabrera is twice the baller that renteria is. cabrera woulda been a .300 hitter in fenway, with 50 doubles, a perfect number 2 hitter to have infront of ortiz, and would get lots of fastballs to hit (hes a fastball hitter)

cabrera showed up to play in the playoffs, while what i saw of renteria was nothing but negatives. no big hits, no big defensive plays. cabrera was clutch on both sides of the ball.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

06 roster, revised

Starters:
1. Santana
2. Schilling
3. Clement
4. Arroyo
5. Papelbon*? Lester*? Wells?

Lineup:
1. Johnny Damon (CF)
2. Edgar "Everyone knows Cabrera's bettah" Renteria (SS)
3. David Ortiz (DH)
4. Manny Ramirez (LF)
5. Trot Nixon (RF)
6. Doug Mintkieviecz (1B)
7. Kevin Youkilis (3B)
8. Hanley Ramirez (2B)*
9. Kelly Shoppach (C)*

*= currently in the minors

[Imran Siddiqui]

All that I'll say on Renteria/Cabrera:

http://www.baseballreference.com/c/cabreor01.shtml

http://www.baseballreference.com/r/renteed01.shtml

Especially check out the stats for last year's World Series:

Cabrera: .235/.381/.294
Renteria: .333/.412/.533

And in All Star Games:

Cabrera: 0
Renteria: 4

And interestingly enough, Renteria is YOUNGER than Cabrera.

Pedro's certainly not crap, but neither is elite anymore. He can still be brilliant (if given extra rest), of course, but you don't pay what they paid for that.

Well, the Mets will be making money on Pedro. I'm sure that his jersey will be flying off the shelves and perhaps the Mets can attract new Latin fans with Pedro, who knows? Sometimes you have to pay a little more.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

heres all i gotta say about renteria/cabrera

cabrera played all 162 games
cabrera had 11 RBIs in the postseason
cabrera batted over .300 with the sox
cabrera turned more double plays
cabrera had a higher FP
cabrera had higher OBP after park adjustment
cabrera had higher SLUG after park adjustment.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

and you know all star games dont mean anything. no one knew how good cabrera was until he came to the sox.