Over 50% of Germans equate IDF with Nazi army

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither
You and wiki share the same credibility on this topic?

Meh. At least I've tried to provide sources. It ain't like I'm pulling this outta my ass. You can disagree, but the hostility really needs to go.

[Tassadar500]

GePap, summary?

[GePap]

The site I Link essentially puts the Israelis with a small superiority in numbers at the start of about 5000 men or so total. The difference is that Israeli forces increase over time with new recruits much faster than Arab forces, which grow much more slowly and never coordinate.

[chequita guevara]

The next map in the series to which NYE linked gives a number of 3,100 in the ALA. It's October, and it still lists the Israelis as only having 20,000 troops, so I'm thinking the numbers for Israel aren't too accurate.

http://www.dean.usma.edu/history/web03/atlases/arab%20israeli/arab%20israeli%20pages/arab%20israeli%20wars%20map%2037.htm

[chequita guevara]

An interesting tidbit from Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_committed_during_the_1948_Arab-Israeli_war

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Meh. At least I've tried to provide sources. It ain't like I'm pulling this outta my ass. You can disagree, but the hostility really needs to go.

It's not really hostility. It's mirth coloured by hockey. UR mistook it as well.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
An interesting tidbit from Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ab-Israeli_war

That is interesting. It's not all black and white, is it?

btw, did you read what he said about his own conclusions?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither
That is interesting. It's not all black and white, is it?

btw, did you read what he said about his own conclusions?

Yes and yes. I never said the Palestinians or Arabs were blameless. I'm just poijting out that the Israelis were far from innocent. I've actually been looking for a list like that for a long time, because I knew both sides committed attrocities, but I couldn't find anything beyond the massacre at Dier Yassin and the Lyddah death march.

As I noted previously, Morris has become thoroughly disgusted with the Palestinians due to the continuing violence. He doesn't think they want peace, which is certainly true for a significant section of them, but it's also true for people like Sharon. If there were no Palestinian threat, what would Likkud have to campaign on? The last thing about Morris I read was over a year ago, at which point he was still supporting his earlier work, even if he was dissociating with the New Israeli Historians.

[MrFun]

There is no "innocent" nation anywhere in the world.

Show me a nation that has a history without any blemishes.

[Tassadar500]

If there was no marijuana, what would the Marijuana Party campaign about? Is that a relevant question to ask when there is marijuana, and there is a Palestinian threat?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Yes and yes. I never said the Palestinians or Arabs were blameless. I'm just poijting out that the Israelis were far from innocent. I've actually been looking for a list like that for a long time, because I knew both sides committed attrocities, but I couldn't find anything beyond the massacre at Dier Yassin and the Lyddah death march.

As I noted previously, Morris has become thoroughly disgusted with the Palestinians due to the continuing violence. He doesn't think they want peace, which is certainly true for a significant section of them, but it's also true for people like Sharon. If there were no Palestinian threat, what would Likkud have to campaign on? The last thing about Morris I read was over a year ago, at which point he was still supporting his earlier work, even if he was dissociating with the New Israeli Historians.

He seems to have a very pessimistic view of the eventual outcome. Emphasis on very.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Lord Nuclear
If there was no marijuana, what would the Marijuana Party campaign about? Is that a relevant question to ask when there is marijuana, and there is a Palestinian threat?

It would be if the Marijuana Party were partly responsible for continuing marijuana prohibition. Likkud is a more than willing party to the war in Palestine, and on several occassions when things cooled down, they deliberately stirred up the pot.

[notyoueither]

Incidently, I think he thinks that if the Pals ceased to be a threat, Likud would never get a sniff of power. Israel is a democracy, but that doesn't mean Israelis are stupid. They want peace, but they maintain the stick in case it is required.

It would be really interesting if the Pals could change their own government to meet new conditions, instead of simply keeping on despots who continue with the rhetoric of burying Israel in the long run.

[Tassadar500]

Originally posted by MrFun
There is no "innocent" nation anywhere in the world.

Show me a nation that has a history without any blemishes.

Canada.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither
He seems to have a very pessimistic view of the eventual outcome. Emphasis on very.

That's a rational view to take.