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  • Over 50% of Germans equate IDF with Nazi army

    From http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1102432932687
    Six decades after the mass extermination of six million Jews in the Holocaust by Nazi Germany, more than 50 percent of Germans believe that Israel's present-day treatment of the Palestinians is similar to what the Nazis did to the Jews during World War II, a German survey released this weekend shows.

    51 percent of respondents said that there is not much of a difference between what Israel is doing to the Palestinians today and what the Nazis did to the Jews during the Holocaust, compared to 49% who disagreed with such a comparison, according to the poll carried out by Germany's University of Bielefeld.

    The survey also found that 68 percent of Germans believe that Israel is waging a "war of extermination" against the Palestinians, while some 32% disagreed with such a statement.

    In a first reaction, the chairman of Yad Vashem's directorate Avner Shalev said Tuesday that the poll's results, which he termed "very worrisome," were indicative of a long-suppressed felling of anti-Semitism among the mainstream "so-called liberals" population which now, under the coating of anti-Israeli criticism, are becoming legitimate again. He added that the poll's results, which he said any objective person would repudiate, are also the result of the release of pent-up feelings of guilt built up from the Holocaust.

    "The energies which bring about such answers come to protect feelings of guilt," Shalev said. 62 percent of respondents in the poll said that they were sick of "all this harping" of German crimes against Jews, while 68% said that they found it "annoying" that Germans today are still held to blame for Nazi crimes against Jews.

    The survey, which aimed to determine what is "the cut off point" between criticism of Israel and anti-Semitism, finds that while "classical" anti-Semitism in Germany is on the wane, secondary anti-Semitism, often couched in anti-Israel views are on the rise, especially among the Left.

    The German researchers who conducted the polls conceded that the results showing a majority of Germans equating Israel's Policy with Nazi Atrocities "may be worrying," but concurred with Yad Vashem's Shalev that the media coverage of the Israeli-Palestinians conflict has made such analogies part of the public discourse.

    "When you see an image in the newspaper, in a caricature, which is repeated day in and day out that Sharon is equal to Hitler than the image catches in your head because maybe you do not like Jews so much or maybe you hate Jews, and than this works out excellent," Shalev said, stressing that education of the young generation was the key to stemming such a tide.

    In the survey, 82 percent of the respondents polled said that they are angered by the way Israel is treating the Palestinians, while 45 percent of those polled said that considering Israel's policies it was "no surprise" that people were against them.

    The telephone poll of 3000 "non-migrant" respondents, which was taken in May and June, did not come with a margin of error.

    "This is a very sad commentary about what is happening in Europe today which needs to send a very strong warning signal about how much work needed to be done to deal with these attitudes," said, Dr. Ephraim Zuroff, the Israel director of the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center.

    Due in part to its blighted history, Germany is generally considered to be one of the more supportive countries of Israel in Europe.
    "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

  • #2
    Yes, we hate Jews if we don't approve what IDF is doing...
    The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand.

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    • #3
      When you compare it to the Nazis, it's not the same as "disapproving". It's idiocy.

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      • #4
        The German population has Godwinized itself and is now irrelevant in international affairs.
        "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

        "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kuciwalker
          When you compare it to the Nazis, it's not the same as "disapproving". It's idiocy.
          Sure, but it's not "anti-semitism". It's just exaggerated and stupid.
          The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand.

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          • #6
            Maybe i just don't follow the news as much as i should, so will anyone please tell me how many deathcamps and gaschambers Israel until now has built and what the daily "production" of these installations are ?

            My history is also a little weak, it seems, since i can't remeber how many suicide bombs the german jews actually activated back in the 30'ies and 40'ies. In my recollection it was zero.

            I don't think that those who made that resemblance between the holocaust and the israeli defence of today has any idea of what happend back when nazi ruled.
            With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

            Steven Weinberg

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            • #7
              How is the treatment of Palestinians different from the treatment of Jews in the early period 1933-1936? In appearances and results it's virtually none. The only considerable differences are:

              1. The sophistication of the propaganda methods, since a modern state needs to overcome the resistances of a much more educated public.

              2. The disproportionality between the power and the real size of the nation of Israel in contrast to the Arabs, which makes Israelis much more wary of their own actions than were the Germans in Nazi Germany.

              In fact the general public in Germany didn't care much about what happened to the Jews, while the public in Israel is well aware that their own fate is connected to the fate of the Palestionians. This is why I believe it was much easier for the Germans to lapse into the genocidal mode, while the Israelis tend to significantly incerase their resistance as the Zionist state is going on further to oppress the Palestinians. That's why this is a process more akin to a war of attrition in contrast with the "blitzkrieg" approach the Nazis used.
              "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
              George Orwell

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              • #8
                Originally posted by axi
                How is the treatment of Palestinians different from the treatment of Jews in the early period 1933-1936? In appearances and results it's virtually none. The only considerable differences are:

                1. The sophistication of the propaganda methods, since a modern state needs to overcome the resistances of a much more educated public.

                2. The disproportionality between the power and the real size of the nation of Israel in contrast to the Arabs, which makes Israelis much more wary of their own actions than were the Germans in Nazi Germany.
                And besides the fact that Israel doesn't want to put all of the Palestinians in industrialized death camps?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by axi
                  In fact the general public in Germany didn't care much about what happened to the Jews, while the public in Israel is well aware that their own fate is connected to the fate of the Palestionians. This is why I believe it was much easier for the Germans to lapse into the genocidal mode, while the Israelis tend to significantly incerase their resistance as the Zionist state is going on further to oppress the Palestinians. That's why this is a process more akin to a war of attrition in contrast with the "blitzkrieg" approach the Nazis used.
                  The Germans blitzkrieged through Belgium, the Netherlands, and France, not the Jews. FFS, you have no clue what you're talking about!

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                  • #10
                    Interesting enough, this survey didn't make it to the German news yet. Normally, all news regarding Israel are immediately reported. Maybe Germans get slowly tired of their everyday confrontation with their past. I think it might actually encourage a new rise of antisemitism. Though I don't think that being against Israel's treatment of the pals is antisemitism. But then, read the last sentence of that article...

                    From my personal experience, I can confirm that most Germans agree that Israel is waging a "war of extermination" against the Pals. But I have my doubts in the claim that a majority of Germans think that Israelis are practically Nazis.

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                    • #11
                      Wait a second... last time I looked at the page, your post was between mine...

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                      • #12
                        What Shi said.
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                        • #13
                          The Germans blitzkrieged through Belgium, the Netherlands, and France, not the Jews.
                          Exterminating 6 million in practically 5 years time isn't a blitz? Only Gengis Chan ever made better than that.
                          "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
                          George Orwell

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                          • #14
                            Exterminating 6 million in practically 5 years time isn't a blitz?


                            No. The holocaust has basically nothing to do with actual warfare.

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                            • #15
                              Ming: This thread invoked Godwin's law in the title. You know what to do.
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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