The fun of frustrated homophobes.

[Ben Kenobi]

What're yours?

Mostly lust, sloth and pride.

[Ben Kenobi]

Actually, it's what happens when people misread The Kinsey Report. Ten percent is the proportion of men who have engaged in any homosexual activity. That includes people who are experimenting, people in stress situations like prison, etc.

True, but that is the percentage I have heard many, many times from the proponents of Kinsey's reports. So the people who are misreading his report, are not just the ones opposed to his findings.

The percentage Kinsey discovered that is exclusively homosexual was 4% - 5% of the population, and that number has been consistently confirmed by various studies. It does not include bisexuals, the transgendered, etc., however, so don't go thinking that 95% of the population is heterosexual.

Which is why I must also stress that Kinsey's sample of the population is far from representative. He focuses on the people who will respond to his surveys, which are oversampling those with a criminal record, among others.

In fact, when he looks at the women, he counts any woman who is with a partner more than a year, as married, and uses them as a sample of 'married' people.

Is it diverse? Sure. But not as diverse, as Kinsey claims.

[Ben Kenobi]

I hate the way anti-gay people debate the choice vs. no choice question, as though if it is a choice they can then argue it is the wrong choice. That argument is about as coherent as the bible they refer to!

Why then is this a cogent rebuttal to the claim that these desires can change?

I suggest you argue the point at hand, and not the point you would like to have.

Gay people do deny, that such sexuality can change, and they defend themselves, as their sexuality. Thus they confirm the point made earlier in the thread.

[Agathon]

Ben, go have sex with a girl.

It's the pause that refreshes.

[Ben Kenobi]

Except you seem to be missing the fact that the only person claiming that they define their being by their sexuality is the homophobe who wrote that article.

I have seen this claim made by many people here. Why shy away from this now?

In the instances where homosexuals do use their sexuality, it is not because their sexuality defines who they are, but because it is the only thing that makes them different and the only thing they are discriminated against.

How are they discriminated against? In affirming the differences, you open the door to discrimination.

That is no different from how, say, the Black Panthers defined themselves as being black.

Yes, and is this why Dr. King saw colour as meaningless?

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben, go have sex with a girl.

It's the pause that refreshes.

Eh, don't I wish.

I've already had my fun today.

[Ben Kenobi]

To say that sexual orientation is innate and cannot be changed, does NOT follow then, that this is the central, sole part of our identification.

This is the second time, this argument has been brought against me.

Again, to say that this is innate, presupposes that it is part of your essence. Part, not the whole.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I've already had my fun today.

spanky the ****y? edit: RHYMES WITH SPANKY, damn censor

[Ben Kenobi]

Nay.

Long lunch with a friend.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Nay.

Long lunch with a friend.

spanky sounds more fun

[Ben Kenobi]

Well we started at one, and didn't finish until after 3. Plus she insisted on driving me home.

Hopefully see her to one of the parties before I leave to go home.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Well we started at one, and didn't finish until after 3.

This sentence, for instance, would have been so much sweeter if we were talking about spanky the ****y.

[Ben Kenobi]

I agree.

Unfortunately she's not one of those girls, in Che's song, with, how does it go, an engine in her honda?

[Agathon]

Eh, don't I wish.

I'm not suggesting that you want it, but that you need it.

I doubt that the man upstairs really gives two hoots. Just make her someone nice.

[DRoseDARs]

/me reads through some of BK's responses



Ok, I'm usually a very private person on this subject in RL, and hate being vulgar when talking seriously, but that's enough Ben. My being gay IS NOT A F*CKING CHOICE. Looking at a beautiful woman, I'm like the old guy in one Family Guy episode who kept punching himself in the crotch yelling "Wake up, damn it!" minus the punching-myself-in-the-crotch part. I see a beautiful woman, nothing happens. I see a hot guy, I have to control my urges. Not difficult, given I've always been a little more mature than most of my peers in RL, but I still have urges and they involve men not women. I cannot control who I have a hardon over, just whether or not I let the erection proceed.

Please, tell me again how my involuntary erections for members of the same sex are a concious choice beyond going stiff or staying limp.