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Well, I'm glad I'm a liberal who has common sense and logic to know that you need to put the word "******" in the correct context when appreciating the novel, Huck Finn.
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In fact, I think PC extremists seek to ban Huck Finn for the reason you mentioned, while at same time, reactionary extremists want to ban it, because it deals with issues concerning race.
So Huck Finn is a novel that faces stupid challengers from both extreme ends.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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Yes, they would certainly be off-limits in secular elementary schools.Originally posted by Last Conformist
@Asher: Well, it makes no sense whatsoever to me.
Would Qurans, too, be off-limits in secular schools? The Bhagavadgita? Homerus?
Not High Schools, mind you."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Well, I still think it's crazy, but then it's at least consistent.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
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I don't think a 3rd grader that goes to a school chosen by his parents as non-religious should have to read about how we should stone homosexuals or anything like that..."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Que?The others are a much more interesting argument.
The censorship is rarely if ever political. At that level it usually involves violence or sex. Also exclusive political views (i.e. Nazism, homophobia, and others that seek to discriminate).Just making the point, that books in elementary schools are censored, and people approve of this censorship. Why one book should be included and not another, is a decision made by librarians all the time.
Actually that's not the case. Schools are not a means of perpetuting a parents own views, ideally they are means by which students can come to their own judgement, whereupon all the relevant literature should be available. The best schools and educational methods known to me all approximate or seek to follow that method.Exactly. Parents have every right to determine what their children read and see in schools and lawmakers have every right to put forward bills that determine how public funds are used.
By that argument, those that learn about Nazism objectively without anti-Nazi agenda are more likely to be Nazis. That is not the case. Furthermore, to say that education means exposure ergo those books should not be allowed relies on the assumption that homosexuality is unacceptable as a lifestyle or somehow less valid.Education means exposure.
I hardly think a situation of "hey there are gay people in existence, it's cool to be gay, let's be gay" is going to develop, but if it did, what would be the problem?
Just a bitBecause it is not outlawed, banning/burning books that make mention of the topic stretches the desires of the community a bit far.
It's bad enough that it's being seriously considered. Bigots like Allen need to be refuted, ridiculed and countered at every available opportunity. Sure he has the right to speak, but the right to be taken seriously is earned, and I fear it is indicative of a problematic and narrow-minded society that he is or may be so.
I agree. As I said before, even if it is passed into law (which is extremely unlikely) it wont be upheld because it isnt a 'community' its the state (as a minimum).
book burning/book banning is anti-intellectual
Well said
Likewise. Alongside other religious texts preferably too.Well you can't pin the word "hypocrisy" on me, because I would fully accept including the Bible in public school library collections.
Methinks you'll find that this isn't an issue of economic left or economic rightFor example, left wing PC police have made efforts to block Huck Fin, because it uses the N word.. Social authoritarians will seek to ban this literature, hence the pro-intellectual movement will be anti-authoritarian, left or right. But then, turn that on it's head... who is it that you hear challenging Steinbeck's "Of Mice and Men"?
Though of course Wycoff, examples would be appreciated 
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Asher, if you're referring to the Bible, that in of itself is not a reason to ban it from public school libraries.
The Bible in of itself is not "hate" literature. It's how others, such as fundies, who insist on applying the Bible's passages literally to today's society, that we should be concerned about. Not the Bible in of itself.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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It is deemed inappropriate and unnecessary for a secular elementary school, and I agree with that.Originally posted by MrFun
Asher, if you're referring to the Bible, that in of itself is not a reason to ban it from public school libraries."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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No, I don't think the Bible is inappropriate for secular, elementary schools as long as there are no courses taught that emphasize that one particular religion is the absolute truth.
Just have the Bible available in the school's library, along with religious material from other religions -- but no course that teaches that one religion is absolute over others -- that is for private schools.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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I think he just needs a good bumming.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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I think the bible should be in school, but taught like other literature or history, not as literal and the religion itself taught in a historical style, open to discussion and criticism not a canonical "this is christianity, this is christian text, yay look at this big package" style."I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
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You're telling me that Canadian schoolkids are forced to read all books in the school library?!?Originally posted by Asher
I don't think a 3rd grader that goes to a school chosen by his parents as non-religious should have to read about how we should stone homosexuals or anything like that...Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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I think the bible is unsuitable for small kids simply because it contains very violent and sadistic stories. Otherwise I agree with LC.The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand.Comment
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I don't mind the Bible being in a public school as long as it is placed with other on books of and on mythology and religion (the 200's of the Dewey decimal system if I remember correctly) as they do in my former high school.
I am, on principle, against children going to religious schools since I think one's religious beliefs should be a personal choice, and childhood indoctrination prevents you from having a rational choice in what you believe in.Comment
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The recount for the repeal of the Alabama constitutional amendment that (cosmetically) required the segregation of public schools was just completed. The repeal failed to pass.
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