Ukraine

[Atahualpa]

Yes it is in austrian news as well.

[muxec]

I think that Yushenko was poisoned by his own team.

WOW! I politically agree with Serb at the first time.

[Heresson]

[Ted Striker]

Look what the poison did to his face!!!!!!!!!!


I hope they can reverse it.

[Az]

He looks like the legendary coach of Dinamo Kiev in his last days.

[The Rusty Gamer]

Was he really poisoned or is he trying to cover up the fact that he's a reptilian shape-shifter, that's what I want to know.

Was the election really rigged or is it all just a ploy to oust the legitimate winner so the reptilian can get in?

[germanos]

Just like Yushchenko, this thread will never die.

[Serb]

Originally posted by DanS


No and I'd like to keep it that way, thanks. Putin and Russia (and you specifically) have some dangerous political tendencies that need to be guarded against. I thought these tendencies were repudiated more than a decade ago, but there's a resurgence of late.

Russians have a saying- it's better late than never.
We will bury you.
Russians are coming!!!

[Serb]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Kinda like what antiglobalization protestors do in DC every year, huh?

And Washington's cops never, ever did any harm to any antiglobalist or any other protestor, right? Sure American cops never tried to supress any African-American, Hispanic-American or any other riot.

[Serb]

Originally posted by lord of the mark



Yup, there are ukrainian nationalist antisemites, who are a matter of concern. Are you saying there are NO russian nationalist antisemites? None in Ukraine? They too are a matter of concern. Whom are they supporting?

Russian nazis support themselves, since they are banned in Russia. And no nazi party can participate in political life of Russia. Aside Ukraine, in Russia nazi's demonstrations are banned by law and when someone proclaim nazi's speeches, he goes to jail.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Atahualpa


You know even less, so don't boast yourself with knowledge that you don't have.

Knowledge? What the hell is that? I'm sorry, I'm from Siberia. We live in caves, drink vodka all the time, play balalaikas and kissing with white bears.

oww cute, go ahead....
Fact is that the protesters were very peaceful overall. Much different than you portrayed them 20 pages ago (or so).

Oh really? How the hell it is different? Did I said they killed someone? They paralized Ukraine. The country faces economical crisis now. The damge they caused is close to 1 billion USD (and its a sh!tload of money for Ukraine, considering their reserves is about 10 billions or even less).

No it's not. The right to gather and protest is a fundamental part of democracy. But of course you don't understand that, because you are living in an authoritarian state, where protests would be immediately and violently torn apart by the military and police...

So, if this is the case, it wouldn't be problem for you to back this piece of BS by facts, right? So it is Russia where police torn appart any protests? Not US or EU? Can you name me a single case when Russian police used rubber bullets, water-jets, tear gas, etc to fight protestors? You'll make a great service for me, because I don't know a single such case. However I saw plenty of that in news from abroad.
Authoritarian state, my ass.

If it's against ukranian law, then the law must be changed. The people have the power and if democracy is about the will of majorities, this is how minorities can get heard and their will must be respected as well and brought into accordance with the rest.

It is against Ukranian or any other law - to do whatever you wish and spit on law and rights of others.
If they want to protest, fine. Get permission from authorities and protest as long as you wish (if you don't harm anyone). What they are doing is violation of rights of other people. Other people have right to work, they have to feed their famalies and those demonstrants do not allow them to work and thus violate their rights. And you suggest they should change thier law to make such things legal?
Are you from Mars or something?

In the end, sarcasm will be all that you have.

Oh sure, after your "observers" will make Yushenko new president and after he will f*ck-up Ukraine and when Ukranians who supported him will finally realize that he is just an uncle Sam's whore who cheated them, sarcasm will be all that I have. It was all that I had when angry mob that brought Yeltsin to power and later re-elected him, finally realized he is a ****er who cheated them and who f*cked our country.

[Serb]

Originally posted by muxec
WOW! I politically agree with Serb at the first time.

Yanukovich- tak, Yushenko- mudak?

[muxec]

Originally posted by Serb


Yanukovich- tak, Yushenko- mudak?

Aga

[Serb]

Voobsheto eto ih krichalka, ya ee naoborot peredelal.

[Atahualpa]

Originally posted by Serb

Knowledge? What the hell is that? I'm sorry, I'm from Siberia. We live in caves, drink vodka all the time, play balalaikas and kissing with white bears.

Siberia
Drinking vodka
Caves
Play balalaika
Kissing white bears

Oh really? How the hell it is different? Did I said they killed someone? They paralized Ukraine. The country faces economical crisis now. The damge they caused is close to 1 billion USD (and its a sh!tload of money for Ukraine, considering their reserves is about 10 billions or even less).

The economical crisis was not created by protests. It takes more than a bunch of protestors to destroy an economy.

Tell me, was the assassination of Franz Ferdinand the cause for WWI?

So, if this is the case, it wouldn't be problem for you to back this piece of BS by facts, right? So it is Russia where police torn appart any protests? Not US or EU? Can you name me a single case when Russian police used rubber bullets, water-jets, tear gas, etc to fight protestors? You'll make a great service for me, because I don't know a single such case. However I saw plenty of that in news from abroad.
Authoritarian state, my ass.

There are 2 types of protests. Violent ones and peaceful ones. The sole blocking of something does not count as violent and as I have not heard much of violent protesters. You have to see that a lot of people were very angry about the election fraud and that their votes did not matter.
If people destroy things, it can be justified to use water-jets or tear gas, but you always have to take care that you don't piss off even more people and I think the ukranian officials wisely did not use force. It just would have widened the distance between the government and the people, which ideally should work hand in hand.

I don't want to deny that the western world has some very serious problems with protesters too and we don't have the ultimate solution, but on the other hand you have to see that we have a lot of peaceful protests as well. And they can become quite large too.
In russia OTOH I don't know of any protests, which makes me wonder. Is everything running fine or are protests supressed by the government? You'd probably say that everything is fine, but I don't believe that.

It is against Ukranian or any other law - to do whatever you wish and spit on law and rights of others.
If they want to protest, fine. Get permission from authorities and protest as long as you wish (if you don't harm anyone). What they are doing is violation of rights of other people. Other people have right to work, they have to feed their famalies and those demonstrants do not allow them to work and thus violate their rights. And you suggest they should change thier law to make such things legal?

If it was always so easy!
Sometimes in the history of a country, it is necessary to do certain things which may annoy some people in the short run, but will benefit all in the long run. And I think you agree with me that fair elections and a president that is without doubt elected by ukranians solely is a benefit to everyone.
Who knows if the protests were really necessary or not, but if the people would not have gathered it is likely that nobody would have done anything, because "it doesn't really matter anyway".

Are you from Mars or something?

Yes and you too.

Oh sure, after your "observers" will make Yushenko new president and after he will f*ck-up Ukraine and when Ukranians who supported him will finally realize that he is just an uncle Sam's whore who cheated them, sarcasm will be all that I have. It was all that I had when angry mob that brought Yeltsin to power and later re-elected him, finally realized he is a ****er who cheated them and who f*cked our country.

No, there are two equal forces with contradictionating views that will make sure the new president will be ukranian's president and not "our whore".
Besides, I thought Yushenko (geez there exist probably a thousand different ways to write his name, what's the ukranian one?) cannot become president again?

Btw, I don't think he will **** up ukraine, much as I don't think Yanukovich will do so. But of course I trust the EU economy more than the Russian one, so I think Yushenko will do better.
The ukraine had long been under russian control and influence and yet it has turned out underdeveloped and rather poor, so why is russia as major partner the better choice?