Ukraine

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
That she will punish you if you have been naughty

The only decent post in this thread.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb
Just my two cents,

Both Polish and Lithuanian presidents sucks.

Serb, you're pathetic. Adamkus alone is 100x the statesman your Putin clown is.

[Harovan]

Thou shalt not insult the Lord God!

I see your way crossing with a KGB employee in the near future.

[Mordoch]

For anyone who believes Yushchenko is a US puppet, its worth noting he favors a pullout of Ukranian troops from Iraq.

KIEV, Dec. 3 (Xinhuanet) -- Ukraine's parliament approved a proposal Friday demanding troops withdrawal from Iraq, the Interfax news agency reported.

A total of 257 members in the 450-seat chamber approved the proposal urging pullout of the 1,600 troops from Iraq, which was the fourth largest contingent in the US-led coalition.

Both of the contestants for the presidency, pro-Russian Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovich and West-leaning opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko, favor a troops pullout.

Ukraine has been locked in a political crisis since the Nov. 21 presidential runoff, in which Prime Minister Yanukovich won. But the opposition rejected the result.

The two sides are waiting for a verdict of the Supreme Court, which has been meeting all week to consider the opposition's allegations that the presidential runoff elections on Nov. 21 were rigged to favor Yanukovich.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-12/03/content_2292013.htm

[Gangerolf]

The Russian Duma passed a resolution today where they blame the EU and the OSCE for what's happening in Ukraine.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-12/03/content_2292012.htm

Further proof that the Russian government hates democracy.

[Saras]

Cool resolution. Now they will themselves incite riots, AND blame EU.

US CIA wussies have a lot to learn

[Gangerolf]

Exactly.

What did the OSCE do? Well their observers pointed out several irregularities in the election. The EU tries to mediate.

Putin on the other hand, rushes out to support Yanukovich, fraud be damned.

Still the Duma has the balls to say

"If the situation gets out of control," the blame will rest on the "external forces which are exerting destructive influence on the events,"

[Saras]

And of course Adamkus & Kwasniewski suck, according to serb. They're basically mokey wrenches in the machine

[Gangerolf]

I'm surprised they didn't blame the US though. I thought every Russian knows that this is the workings of the CIA. Just like they did in Serbia and Georgia.

[Saras]

AND NORWAY!!!

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Serb


I'm sure you provide way more help to US now.
The mighty Polish "Buttlickers" Commando battalion sure provides sh!tload of assistance in Iraq. I bet your next move will be to send your famous "Oh Sh!t, they shot at us. Charge! Charge back home!!!" eilte cavalry division.

Serb, You have a mentality of a 8 year old child. I pity You.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Serb


It's a classified information, well... a misinformation actually.

It wasn't against the Brits and not during the revolution. It was against south during the civil war. In 1863, Great Britain, using an insurrection in Poland as her pretext, again decided to put together an anti-Russian alliance. Russia responded by defending the Gulf of Finland and also dispatching cruisers.The Atlantic squadron of Rear Admiral Lesovsky, including the screw-frigates Alexander Nevsky, Oslyabya, Peresvet, the corvettes Vityaz and Varyag and the clipper Almaz, arrived in New York. At approximately the same time, Popov's squadron of propeller corvettes Bogatyr, Kalevala, Rynda and the clippers Abrek and Gaydamak gathered at ports on the west coast of the United States. This 'American expedition' enabled the Russian fleet to achieve two objectives. Firstly, Great Britain did not continue its naval struggle with Russia because the British perceived a very real threat at sea. Second, by their presence, Russian seamen were able to support the United States in its struggle with the Confederacy.

Was a single one of those ships an ironclad? If not they would have been dead meat in a prolonged naval war with Britain in 1863. In any case by 1863 the possibility of British intervention in the US civil war was basically nil. I also dont recall that the Russian ships engaged in blockade duty, which was the only major action seagoing ships of the USN were engaged in. Sounds more like the US was giving the Russians friendly ports to run to if the RN went after them. And i suspect the reasons the Brits backed down was because the Polish revolution failed, which essentially happened in '63, IIRC.

However Russia DID provide diplomatic support to the Union during the American Civil War, for which we thank you. However I was addressing current economic conditions, NOT the entire history of US- Russian relations, which would have shown US aid to Russia that dwarfs the current amounts.

Yes, most of it goes for disarming wmds. The US is bound by the same treaties Russia is - we've been disarming our OWN cold war stocks of chemical weapons, at considerable cost. WE, however are paying those costs ourselves. Russia needs financial help in doing so.

Which is no shame on Russia I might add. Your economy was held back from the mid-60s to 1991 by a Communist system that couldnt adjust to new economic conditions, and had difficulty making the transition in the '90s. Someday you WILL make that transition, and you will grow prosperous. However it is a mistake to confuse the post '98 burst of Russiangrowth due to largely to the price of oil and gas (which, BTW, was increasing as far back as 1999, driven by global economic growth - including the Clinton boom)
with the overcoming of Russias structural problems.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Serb


What irregularities are you talking about? Give me exact example of such irregularities. How exactly Yanukovich could cheat?
So far I heard only - "OMG our candidate have lost, so elections were f*cked, no doubt about that".
If they have evidences they should bring them into Constitutional Court.
IT DOESN'T GIVE THEM RIGHT TO DEPOSE LEGITIMATELY ELECTED PRESIDENT. FIRST THEY SHOULD PROVE IN COURT ILLEGITIMACY OF ELECTIONS.

Is it really so hard to understand? Is it really so hard to imagine that they actually do not have evidences and CAN'T prove their victory in the court? Is it so hard to assume that they are just a bunch of whining loosers who can't accept their defeat and ready achive power through criminal, non-constitutional way?

The Supreme Court of the Ukraine has now spoken. I hope ALL outsiders, including Russians, Americans and Europeans, will respects its decision.

[Combat Ingrid]

It seems also the Ukrainian supreme court is a US whore nowadays

[Arrian]

Oh my.

-Arrian