Fascists Targetting America's Youth

[Ned]

Originally posted by Ramo

The kind of democracy that brings the vote to 45 million people in the ME.

You mean the kind of democracy that isn't elected?

In fact, they would have gone out of their way to appease bin Laden, Mullah Omar and Saddam Hussein.

Like Reagan?

Ramo, I guess you join with the Gore crowd and would have appeased Omar and Saddam instead of taking action. You are decidedly glum about bring liberty to a people oppressed.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Thucydides


what the hell does Abu Graib have anything to do with sex, deviant or otherwise? The scandal of Abu Graib was all about control and what better way to control a muslim prison population then through religious guilt. Especially when Arabs are more sensitive to the subject and more easily shamed then Americans are.It appears the abuse was used in an attempt to gather intelligence through blackmail, but regardless the methodology is purely republican religious right. After all, who but religious wingnuts try to control people through guilt about sex?

While intelligence was the cause of some of what happened, all the extreme abuse we saw in the pictures occurred in the middle of the night -- out of sight of supervision. They knew what they were doing was wrong.

As to the sex part, most of that was not published.

[Ramo]

In fact, I would've given them oral sex.

And, Omar's a great guy.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Dude, that was too over the top. If you pulled it back a tad, it would have been a much better troll.

Che, I do my best. At least Kid got a laugh. I would have hope to have you rolling on the floor in stitches with that one!

[Ned]

Originally posted by Odin
Ned is going deeper and deeper into his delusions, he needs to see a psycologist.

And you, Odin, need to get a sense of humor.

[Last Conformist]

Am I the only one getting the impression that no-one really cares about what skinheads, Fascist or otherwise, think?

[el freako]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Let's cut to the chase. What was the growth rate for each year between 1932 and 1938 Mr. Stats?

Average Annual Growth, 1932-38:

Soviet Union: 8.1%
Germany: 7.6%
Japan: 5.2%
United States: 4.4%
United Kingdom: 3.8%
Italy: 2.8%
France: 2.1%

However, just to show that a liberal democracy can achieve similar rates of growth in peacetime:

United States, 1935-41: 7.8%

Originally posted by Kidicious
I have already agreed that there was plenty of slack to take up, because that only reinforces my point.

how does it support your point of:

Originally posted by Kidicious
It's the most amazing period of economic expansion in history.

If there was faster growth in a similar period later under a liberal democratic government which had less slack to take up?

[Ned]

el freako, on the US growth rate 1935-41, I am willing to bet that the bulk of the growth occurred in years 1940-41 as America moved to a war footing. Do you have a year-by-year breakdown?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by el freako
However, just to show that a liberal democracy can achieve similar rates of growth in peacetime:

United States, 1935-41: 7.8%

When did I say that you can't have significant growth in a democracy?

how does it support your point of:

Well I was taught that the German economic growth was the highest in history during this period from a professor of economics with a PhD. I would still like to see the year by year stats.

If there was faster growth in a similar period later under a liberal democratic government which had less slack to take up?

I'm just curious about the year by year stats. If I was taught wrong then it's no big deal. Again, I'm not arguing that you can't have economic growth with a democracy.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Saras
Let's see if some legal genius from UK confirms this.

Hello!

Yes- Parliament (the Commons) could abolish the monarchy. Or appoint a new monarch, like we did in 1688.

[el freako]

Originally posted by Ned
el freako, on the US growth rate 1935-41, I am willing to bet that the bulk of the growth occurred in years 1940-41 as America moved to a war footing. Do you have a year-by-year breakdown?

Sure:

1933: -2.1%
1934: 7.7%
1935: 7.6%
1936: 14.2%
1937: 4.3%
1938: -4.0%
1939: 8.0%
1940: 7.7%
1941: 18.2%

(note these figures are from the aforementioned 'World Economic Statistics' and are not exactly the same as the BEA data)

So, true up to a point, although the timing of the 1938 recession skews the figures.

Interestingly the BEA provides a breakdown of the contribution of different sectors to growth,

Total Growth, contribution of military spending, contribution of civilian economy:

1936: 13.0%, 0.3%, 12.7%
1937: 5.1%, 0.0%, 5.1%
1938: -3.4%, 0.1%, -3.5%
1939: 8.1%, 0.2%, 7.9%
1940: 8.8%, 1.2%, 7.6%
1941: 17.1%, 10.8%, 6.3%

Originally posted by Kidicious
Well I was taught that the German economic growth was the highest in history during this period from a professor of economics with a PhD. I would still like to see the year by year stats.

It's quite possible he was using inferior data, the study I mention by Angus Maddison was only released a few years ago.

I'm reluctant to post a spreadsheet of the data as it is copyrighted material however the PDF version of the study (which includes the ability to download an excel spreadsheet containing all the data) is only $16.

Annual average growth rate of Germany (unified east and west for period 1946-68) and USSR:
1929: -0.4%, 2.8%
1930: -1.4%, 5.8%
1931: -7.6%, 1.9%
1932: -7.5%, -1.1%
1933: 6.3%, 4.1%
1934: 9.1%, 9.8%
1935: 7.5%, 15.1%
1936: 8.8%, 7.9%
1937: 6.0%, 10.2%
1938: 7.7%, 1.8%
1939: 9.4%, 6.2%
1940: 0.7%, -2.4%
1941: 6.3%. -20.6%
1942: 1.3%, 0.0%
1943: 2.0%, 0.0%
1944: 2.5%, 0.0%
1945: -28.8%, 0.0%
1946: -52.6%, -0.3%
1947: 12.3%, 11.2%
1948: 18.4%, 13.7%
1949: 17.0%, 10.7%
1950: 18.9%, 9.6%
1951: 9.2%, 0.5%
1952: 8.7%, 6.5%
1953: 8.4%, 4.3%
1954: 7.5%, 4.9%
1955: 11.0%, 8.6%
1956: 7.2%, 9.6%
1957: 5.7%, 2.0%
1958: 4.5%, 7.5%
1959: 7.3%, -1.1%
1960: 8.1%, 9.5%
1961: 4.1%, 5.7%
1962: 4.3%, 2.7%
1963: 2.8%, -2.3%
1964: 6.1%, 12.9%
1965: 5.1%, 5.7%
1966: 3.0%, 4.9%
1967: 0.3%, 4.4%
1968: 5.3%, 5.9%

[chequita guevara]

Woah, the USSR had recessions? I never knew that. 1932 was probably caused by Collectivizations of the Kullaks and we know what caused the drop in 1941.

No growth during the war or did they just not keep statisitcs?

[Pax]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi




I have to concede this point to you, but I am curious as to what you believe qualifies as an atrocity on par with the Final Solution in Germany.

The answer will be the same every time you ask.
Slavery. treatment of indians. Selling Opium to the chinese(Opium Wars), subjugation of Africa, ME, and asia. To name a few.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by el freako
Annual average growth rate of Germany (unified east and west for period 1946-68) and USSR:
1929: -0.4%, 2.8%
1930: -1.4%, 5.8%
1931: -7.6%, 1.9%
1932: -7.5%, -1.1%
1933: 6.3%, 4.1%
1934: 9.1%, 9.8%
1935: 7.5%, 15.1%
1936: 8.8%, 7.9%
1937: 6.0%, 10.2%
1938: 7.7%, 1.8%
1939: 9.4%, 6.2%
1940: 0.7%, -2.4%
1941: 6.3%. -20.6%
1942: 1.3%, 0.0%
1943: 2.0%, 0.0%
1944: 2.5%, 0.0%
1945: -28.8%, 0.0%
1946: -52.6%, -0.3%
1947: 12.3%, 11.2%
1948: 18.4%, 13.7%
1949: 17.0%, 10.7%
1950: 18.9%, 9.6%
1951: 9.2%, 0.5%
1952: 8.7%, 6.5%
1953: 8.4%, 4.3%
1954: 7.5%, 4.9%
1955: 11.0%, 8.6%
1956: 7.2%, 9.6%
1957: 5.7%, 2.0%
1958: 4.5%, 7.5%
1959: 7.3%, -1.1%
1960: 8.1%, 9.5%
1961: 4.1%, 5.7%
1962: 4.3%, 2.7%
1963: 2.8%, -2.3%
1964: 6.1%, 12.9%
1965: 5.1%, 5.7%
1966: 3.0%, 4.9%
1967: 0.3%, 4.4%
1968: 5.3%, 5.9%

The growth rate of Germany from 1933-39 is much more impressive. I think that's what he meant. That was about 10 years ago that I was taught that so these numbers might be significantly different.

He also might have been speaking of measuring employment instead. I know that the employment situation in Germany was the worst in the world and the Nazis created an extraordinary amount of jobs.

Another possibility is that he meant that the economic growth of Germany was the greatest up until that time.

[Pax]

My point in this argument is that a fascism is not necessarily bad or evil. Same with Republicans and Communists. It's just certain one's that give the whole group a bad name. Hitler, Ned, and Stalin.