Fascists Targetting America's Youth

[Ned]

Originally posted by our_man


I'll agree with you that Saddam's government and the Republicans being similar is stretching the imagination a bit too much, but some points I'd like to quibble with:

1. Individual Liberty
Hello? John Ashcroft? The Patriot Act?

2. Free Trade
What about the steel tariff imposed in March 2002 - December 2003?

3. Democracy
I'll give you this one - for now.

4. Human rights
Guantanemo Bay. Abu Ghraib. A myriad of other abuses.

1) I mean freedom from all forms of prior restraint, particularly economic. The Patriot Act enhances individual liberty by keeping us safe from terrorists.

2) Agreed that the steel tarriffs were something that one would normally associate with the Dems. I saw a Kerry ad which attacked the steel tarriffs and said that they had harmed wages in the steel industry. I think even the most foolish of steelworkers could see through that crazy allegation.

4) Anyone check the party affilliation of those involved in the Abu Ghraib abuse? They seemed be heavily into S&M, prostitution and all forms of deviant sex. Does this sound Republican to you?

Guantanemo Bay? Why do you libs completely ignore the freeing of 45 million people from extreme abuse? Had Gore been in charge, he would have done nothing serious about either Afghanistan or Iraq. But I also agree that the more anti-American the thug, the better the treatment Gore would have given him or her. In fact, I think he would have given bin Laden a hero's welcome at the White House, handed the keys of America to him, and asked for his forgiveness for the abuses American has brought to the people of Islam. Next, at the direction of America's new imam, Gore would have nuked Israel.

[Odin]

The Republicans support democracy and human rights?

[Ned]

Originally posted by problem_child




Slogans child.

Well are they even fascist? They seem to be extreme libertarians.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by el freako
Huh? growth in 1930 was 5.8%
Now admittedly growth in the period 1931-32 averaged only 0.4% (However this compares with an average growth rate of -6.4% for the OECD during that period)

It wasn't even Germany's most amazing economic expansion.

Between 1933 and 1943 GDP increased by an annual average of 5.9% (following 20 years when GDP stagnated - so a lot of slack was available to take up).

Let's cut to the chase. What was the growth rate for each year between 1932 and 1938 Mr. Stats?

I have already agreed that there was plenty of slack to take up, because that only reinforces my point. The Nazis put people to work and made profit for the capitalists. For that I suspect that they recieved a lot of support from the people. That is until they made it obvious that they were going to try to take over Europe.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Odin
The Republicans support democracy and human rights?

Why yes, Odin. The kind of democracy that brings the vote to 45 million people in the ME. The kind of human right that frees people from fascism.

No Democrat you could name would have done either. In fact, they would have gone out of their way to appease bin Laden, Mullah Omar and Saddam Hussein.

[RGBVideo]

The kind of democracy that brings the vote to 45 million people in the ME. The kind of human right that frees people from fascism. No Democrat you could name would have done either.

FDR.

In fact, they would have gone out of their way to appease bin Laden, [..] and Saddam Hussein.

Ronald Reagan supported both.
William Clinton opposed both.

Well, that was surprisingly easy. Am I missing something here, Ned?

[Thucydides]

Originally posted by Ned

4) Anyone check the party affilliation of those involved in the Abu Ghraib abuse? They seemed be heavily into S&M, prostitution and all forms of deviant sex. Does this sound Republican to you?

what the hell does Abu Graib have anything to do with sex, deviant or otherwise? The scandal of Abu Graib was all about control and what better way to control a muslim prison population then through religious guilt. Especially when Arabs are more sensitive to the subject and more easily shamed then Americans are.It appears the abuse was used in an attempt to gather intelligence through blackmail, but regardless the methodology is purely republican religious right. After all, who but religious wingnuts try to control people through guilt about sex?

Also consider that the military, especially in the command enviroment, leans heavily to the republicans, and it was republicans who were ultimately in charge of military when these events happened.

[Odin]

1. Individual Liberty; nope, since they are against abortion and let religius nuts impose thier will on the individual.

2. Free Trade; nope, farm subsidies and corporate welfare are not free trade.

3. Democracy; nope, they installed puppet regimes in Iran, Nicaragua, Chile, Iraq (SADDAM!!!) etc.

4. Human rights, nope; Guantanomo bay, supporting dictators, party filled with southern racists.


Not looking too good, Neddy.

[Ramo]

The kind of democracy that brings the vote to 45 million people in the ME.

You mean the kind of democracy that isn't elected?

In fact, they would have gone out of their way to appease bin Laden, Mullah Omar and Saddam Hussein.

Like Reagan?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
In fact, I think he would have given bin Laden a hero's welcome at the White House, handed the keys of America to him, and asked for his forgiveness for the abuses American has brought to the people of Islam. Next, at the direction of America's new imam, Gore would have nuked Israel.

Dude, that was too over the top. If you pulled it back a tad, it would have been a much better troll.

[Kidlicious]

funny though

[our_man]

Guantanemo Bay? Why do you libs completely ignore the freeing of 45 million people from extreme abuse?

Just because you did one it doesn't excuse the other, and that's what you seem to be implying in the above statement. And 45 million? I'll concede that Afghanistan is better now than it was under the Taliban, but look at Iraq at the moment - it's still a shambles. No sooner had you crushed Fallujah than fighting broke out in Mosul! There's still a substantial amount of the Iraqi people suffering 'extreme abuse'.

Oh, and labelling me as a 'lib' isn't very accurate, and I don't think it helps when people (usually Republicans) resort to this label. I'm liberal in some aspects, but I'm easily as conservative as the Republican party on some issues e.g. abortion.

[Odin]

Ned is going deeper and deeper into his delusions, he needs to see a psycologist.

[Ned]

Originally posted by VJ

FDR.

The era of valiant Democrats died with the rise of McGovern. The party of FDR (foreign-policy-wise) no longer exists. Foreign policy liberals are now known as neocons.

Clinton did nothing at all serious about bin Laden during his watch. The recently retired CIA agent listed at least 10 different opportunities Clinton had to capture or kill bin Laden. Clinton took advantage of none of these opportunities for fear of alienating the Europeans and the Arabs.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Odin
1. Individual Liberty; nope, since they are against abortion and let religius nuts impose thier will on the individual.

2. Free Trade; nope, farm subsidies and corporate welfare are not free trade.

3. Democracy; nope, they installed puppet regimes in Iran, Nicaragua, Chile, Iraq (SADDAM!!!) etc.

4. Human rights, nope; Guantanomo bay, supporting dictators, party filled with southern racists.


Not looking too good, Neddy.

This is just a bunch of hate-filled propaganda and deserves no serious response.