Alexander the great was gay? Backlash stirring in U.S. over gay film

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Two years ago hundreds of northern Greeks from the province of Macedonia, where he was born, stormed an archaeological symposium after one speaker presented a paper on the homosexuality of Alexander. Police were called in to evacuate the participants.

Misfact 1: they were not hundreds
Misfact 2: According to news reports of the time, the speaker was asked to read a single line of text in ancient greek and couldnt

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
It all happened about 2000 years ago. How on earth can any Greek think they have any intellectual property over it?

yeah, on what grounds do egyptians keep on selling tickets to the Pyramids? they should be free to the world!

[Jon Miller]

I thought it well known that Alexander was gay, even for a greek.

I think that there did end up being one woman who he fell for, but most of what I read said that he prefered men mostly (she came into his life relatively late).

Also I am fairly sure, at least for the young males, that receiving anal sex was common. (I think the older males were not suppose to recieve, could be wrong on this).

Jon Miller

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by MarkG
yeah, on what grounds do egyptians keep on selling tickets to the Pyramids? they should be free to the world!

Their image is.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Their image is.

we didnt ask any money from Stone either

[MarkG]

[R rated]btw, do an image search on google for "intercrural sex" [/R rated]

[Az]

you've been reported.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


Also I am fairly sure, at least for the young males, that receiving anal sex was common. (I think the older males were not suppose to recieve, could be wrong on this).

Jon Miller

The 'active' role was usually reserved for the older male, who would also usually have been of a higher social standing to the younger one- whether that standing was due to birth (membership of the aristocracy) or his maturity, or his role as educator/initiator, or because the younger/inferior partner was a foreigner or a slave.

The surviving pictorial evidence is heavily weighted towards depictions of intercrural ( or interfemoral sex)but depictions of penetrative anal sex do occur, as do mentions of it in the surviving works of literature.

A silver cup from a Hellenized Roman city explicitly depicts anal penetrative sex between an older and younger man- the younger male is usually identified by his beardlessness. This accounts for the conversation about Achilles and Patroklos in which Achilles was said to be the younger partner of Patroklos because Patroklos was depicted as having a beard.

(The Warren Cup, from the Stanford Place Collection, on loan to the New York Metropolitan Museum of Art, and the Sosias Painter, Achilles Binding the Wounds of Patroklos, the Staatliche Museen Preussischer Kulturbesitz)

http://www.leslielohman.com/warrencup.htm

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/vaseindex?lookup=Berlin+F+2278

[Paris]

"Both Alexander and President Bush are the most powerful leaders of their day, raised in the shadow of dynamic fathers who also wielded worldwide influence, and defined by an ambitious and ongoing war in a foreign land that is historically difficult to occupy. Both men spent years pursuing a high-profile enemy leader who fled into the hills of the Middle East."

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/10247251.htm

It all makes sense now! it is the best explanation why americans destroys every historical archive and promote Alexander as gay. Maybe for Hollywood/US the next historic gay figure will be the... Jesus Christ or Mohamed?
Nobody is against the Gay movement, but it is obvious that Oliver Stone is against GAYS with this horror historically film.

[MarkG]

molly, i fail to see what's gay about the achilles/patroclos vase you link too....

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Jon Miller

I think that there did end up being one woman who he fell for, but most of what I read said that he prefered men mostly (she came into his life relatively late).

The marriage to Roxanne cemented a political alliance with Central Asian tribes, thus securing Alexander's Northern frontier. She was the daughter of a local king. These tribes had earlier defeated a detachment of his army.

[Jon Miller]

I don't think it was that girl

I might be wrong

Jon Miller

[Alexander's Horse]

He did also marry at least one other woman, a Persian noble.

[Traianvs]

How did Alexander trick a Persian army four times the size of his 50,000-man force into stretching its flanks until a convenient hole opened?

A great example of how people gullibly believe what ancient historians write. If you are to believe Herodotos, Xerxes took an army of 4,3 million people to Greece (including cooks, prostitutes, workers etc) and this army drank entire rivers dry

Anyway even a force of 50000 is incredibly difficult to manage in such terrain. It would require ravaging entire lands to feed them, and even them it's doubtful to even find enough food and water. Obviously the Persian force wasn't 200000 strong. Nor was the Macedonian for that matter.

And how Alexander managed that...? Well luckily his phalanx was trustworthy enough to simply pin down the enemy with its heavy armour&weapons (which was its main function in battle) after which the Macedonian cavaly charged a weaker spot in the enemy line and then attacked the enemy in the rear causing the enemy to lose morale and consequently flee the battle.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Trajanus


Anyway even a force of 50000 is incredibly difficult to manage in such terrain. It would require ravaging entire lands to feed them, and even them it's doubtful to even find enough food and water. Obviously the Persian force wasn't 200000 strong. Nor was the Macedonian for that matter.

I think the Macedonian army has been reliably estimated at between 35 and 50,000. The point was that the Persian army was significantly larger, outnumbering the Macedonian at up to 4 or 5 to 1 in cavalry for example at Issus and Gaugamela.

The Persian army was very large partly because the point was not to fight but to frighten with a large display of force. The expectation was an enemy would be intimidated and turn back or seek peace. The problem the Persians always had with Greek armies was they chose to fight and that showed up the weaknesses in the Persian order of battle.

In some ways it was a huge culture clash.