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  • #46
    I don't know Speer, I haven't looked at the situation to know all the factors involved.

    But the numbers are extremley startling.
    We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Albert Speer


      what's the difference? I see the alternatives to stressing abstinence (giving out condoms) as a form of propaganda... a much stronger form that indoctrinates children into believing that sex is good; hell, they even give out condoms for us to have sex!
      There might be a side effect to talking openly about sexuality, and that would be overpromoting it, but in any case it seems preferable to teen pregnancies and uninformed people spreading STDs.

      for us in the land of the free, teaching kids about condoms serves a contingency purpose. we want our kids to be abstinent firstly.
      huh? what do condoms have to do with abstinence, and then, I doubt the "we" talking here is much inclusive.
      In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Oncle Boris


        You've got it, if religion has such a broad appeal then it's because your country is more tolerant to obscurantism.

        For most civilized people, a president who has no problem with teaching evolution in school, encouraging abstinence, and imposing his morality on others is a fundie.

        If you don't think it's fundamentalism, then you are the ones in trouble.
        Encouraging teaching of evolution??? I think this is the generally accepted scientific view on how creatures came into their current configuration. If you OTOH are trying to imply W is for creationism teaching in schools you'll pardon me if ask for a source and/or cite.

        Encouraging abstinence?? Wow!! Thats a bit of a shocker considering it is the best means to have effecitivity against sexually transmitted diseases as well as teen pregnancy. Is it realistic to think that abstinence is going to be adheared to, of course not, but it should be a societal goal to prevent the aforementioned ills. Failing that monogamy and then as last resort proper training and encouragement of use of condoms. Whats so friggin hard to understand?

        Imposing morality - This you have a point in the context of gay marriage.
        "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

        “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Albert Speer


          they get abortions... here in america, most americans have some qualms with aborting their baby.
          I've always wondered why is it that here abortion is widely accepted but capital punishment isnt, in the US it seems to be the other way round...
          Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

          - Paul Valery

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          • #50
            Boris:

            Can we agree that abstinence is an ideal? If not, then we have a big gulf seperating the moral outlook of most americans and most Europeans. Even for practical matters, abstinence is the 100% successful way to prevent all these STDs and pregnancies you speak of.

            we still have condoms though but as a contingency. for those who are too weak to be abstinent.
            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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            • #51
              laurentius:

              I've always wondered why is it that here abortion is widely accepted but capital punishment isnt, in the US it seems to be the other way round...
              one individual is guilty of a heinous crime... the other hasn't even been born and is more innocent than anyone can be.
              "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
              "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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              • #52
                FakeBoris is not a Euro. He's Quebecois.
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
                  If you OTOH are trying to imply W is for creationism teaching in schools you'll pardon me if ask for a source and/or cite.
                  Didn't he increase funding to religious schools, indirectly promoting it? And maybe I'm wrong, but couldn't he use his presidential powers to veto referendums about teaching creationism in SCIENCE classes?

                  Encouraging abstinence?? Wow!! Thats a bit of a shocker considering it is the best means to have effecitivity against sexually transmitted diseases as well as teen pregnancy. Is it realistic to think that abstinence is going to be adheared to, of course not, but it should be a societal goal to prevent the aforementioned ills. Failing that monogamy and then as last resort proper training and encouragement of use of condoms. Whats so friggin hard to understand?
                  That's the point, abstinence won't be adhered to, therefore it's not a good way to prevent STDs. Sticking to an inefficient doctrine because of religious beliefs is a sort of fundamentalism.
                  In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Albert Speer
                    laurentius:



                    one individual is guilty of a heinous crime... the other hasn't even been born and is more innocent than anyone can be.
                    Who are we to judge? One of the Ten Commandments is, do not kill. What gives you as a society mandate to act God.

                    The thing is that here we dont consider an unborn child individual at all.
                    Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                    - Paul Valery

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Albert Speer
                      Boris:

                      Can we agree that abstinence is an ideal? If not, then we have a big gulf seperating the moral outlook of most americans and most Europeans. Even for practical matters, abstinence is the 100% successful way to prevent all these STDs and pregnancies you speak of.
                      Yes, and locking people in their homes is the best way to prevent crime. But sadly it's counter-productive and unrealistic.

                      we still have condoms though but as a contingency. for those who are too weak to be abstinent.
                      Those who can't score are weak too.
                      In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                      • #56
                        Chirac's views that you have to extract promises from the US to do this or that is really ridiculous. It's not as if the US and UK have a ledger to compare what we do for them and what they do for us.

                        Blair can call up the WH at any time and get a good, friendly hearing. If we are in the position to do the UK a good turn, we will do so enthusiastically. It's not the same with Chirac and France.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Oncle Boris
                          Recently, there have been the cases of Canadian lumber and beef.
                          I forgot about NYE's much vried over softwood ( ) though I'd say the mad cow ban is pretty good as it only bans those parts most likely to be infected while the rest can come in. Until the Canadian government can certify that it's beef is safe for consumers isn't it prudent not to sell it?

                          Re unrest, you could have an ironic point, you mean that they don't want to press issues too much to avoid stirring up opposition?
                          Yes, that's what I'm saying. Do you agree?
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                          • #58
                            Yeah, they should be held in debt because Germany declared war on you.
                            Germany never would have declared war on us if the French didn't collapse like a house of cards. I don't know if Europe can ever pay the US back for what it has done over the decades - WWI, WWII, the Cold War, the Balkans. So y'all don't agree with Iraq? Fine, neither do I. But given our track record of assistance I'd think you would give us a pass on Saddam.

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                            • #59
                              Chirac is pretty much right. Blair looks like a complete doofus in the eyes of the world (exluding the Home Counties and the Red States).

                              Blair is lame. The only reason he'll get elected again is that the Tories are even more pathetic.
                              Only feebs vote.

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                              • #60
                                Who are we to judge? One of the Ten Commandments is, do not kill. What gives you as a society mandate to act God.
                                thou shalt not MURDER... Lotm can clarify, but i'm pretty sure the bible explicitly gives quite a bit of leeway with respect to this... in fact, it demands execution as punishment for crimes.
                                "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                                "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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