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I'm sorry you don't have a clue about protestant christian denominations. This really isn't the thread to lend you one.
We're rather busy 'round the Chirac rhetorical bonfire.
We're rather busy 'round the Chirac rhetorical bonfire.
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I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891 -
Oerdin, from a secular perspective those things make him a crusader of some sort. Its funny how America is always seen as the promised land of Political Correctiviness, but at the same time the president of a nation wich doesnt have a state religion and a huge array of religions constantly makes references to his own god. Shouldent he represent the whole nation? I dont think any European nation would take its leader seriously and respect him if he was to speak like that.
Where I come from religion is a private thing, if a public officer would make the kind of remarks as Bush the people would be enormously offended and he would lose the trust very quickly.Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.
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Dear DanS I do have a clue, I grew up 20 metres from a methodist church myself.
The point was that neither the way Mr. Bush speaks nor his actions make him look anymore secular than President Khatami.Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.
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I am secular and no I don't see things the same way as you. It really doesn't matter if a European head of state would or would not do the same since the American President is judged by American standards and not European. Lastly, believe it or not some people like to see a leader with firm convictions though I doubt anyone (other then a tiny minority) would like to have religion forced upon anyone.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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As much as Chirac is trolling, he does have a point
Exactly WHAT did the British get out of this, besides our gratitude?We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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If you did, you would know that the methodists aren't fundies. Believe it or not, a US president talking about religion is appealing across the religious spectrum. As Oerdin says, what you know about secularism in Europe is worse than useless when looking at the role of religion in the US presidency. Rather, it's most often misleading.Dear DanS I do have a clueI came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Oerdin: Ok. Point taken. I can only troll from here on about the american standards so I shut up.Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.
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Exactly what did we get for helping the British in the Falklands? You see friendship and trust are something that is built up and isn't based upon a reward system.Originally posted by Ted Striker
As much as Chirac is trolling, he does have a point
Exactly WHAT did the British get out of this, besides our gratitude?
Personally, I'd like to see more. I'd like to see a free trade agreement between the US and UK as such a move would increase trade and help both our countries. Ideally we could have a new NAFTA a North Atlantic Free Trade Agreement but I don't see protectionist & obstructionist France agreeing to such a move.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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I guess you have different standards than we.Originally posted by DanS
If you did, you would know that the methodists aren't fundies.
Here methodists are considered a bit suspicious folks.
Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.
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Oerdin, I agree with you, but in this case I the British didn't have to help us out this time and I wouldn't have blamed them if they had said no.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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You've got it, if religion has such a broad appeal then it's because your country is more tolerant to obscurantism.Originally posted by DanS
If you did, you would know that the methodists aren't fundies. Believe it or not, a US president talking about religion is appealing across the religious spectrum. As Oerdin says, what you know about secularism in Europe is worse than useless when looking at the role of religion in the US presidency. Rather, it's most often misleading.
For most civilized people, a president who has no problem with teaching creationism in school, encouraging abstinence, and imposing his morality on others is a fundie.
If you don't think it's fundamentalism, then you are the ones in trouble.Last edited by Fake Boris; November 16, 2004, 00:54.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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Which religious groups are considered normal in Finland? Any? I would really like to know.Originally posted by laurentius
I guess you have different standards than we. Here methodists are considered a bit suspicious folks.
Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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We helped them in the Falklands?Originally posted by Oerdin
Exactly what did we get for helping the British in the Falklands? You see friendship and trust are something that is built up and isn't based upon a reward system.
Personally, I'd like to see more. I'd like to see a free trade agreement between the US and UK as such a move would increase trade and help both our countries. Ideally we could have a new NAFTA a North Atlantic Free Trade Agreement but I don't see protectionist & obstructionist France agreeing to such a move.Comment
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I agree.Originally posted by Ted Striker
Oerdin, I agree with you, but in this case I the British didn't have to help us out this time and I wouldn't have blamed them if they had said no.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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You could be surprised. More often than not America is the hindrance to genuine free trade, not its partners. It's because they usually can force one-way trade overture at the detriment of others.Originally posted by Oerdin
Exactly what did we get for helping the British in the Falklands? You see friendship and trust are something that is built up and isn't based upon a reward system.
Personally, I'd like to see more. I'd like to see a free trade agreement between the US and UK as such a move would increase trade and help both our countries. Ideally we could have a new NAFTA a North Atlantic Free Trade Agreement but I don't see protectionist & obstructionist France agreeing to such a move.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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