The Guardian: Nato is a threat to Europe and must be disbanded

[notyoueither]

Hello, I was addressing someone who thinks that both Bush is the Anti-Christ, and that the US should pull out of Iraq as fast as possible.

[Chemical Ollie]

Threat? No
Obsolete? Probably

[Stefu]

So if America starts pulling out of Europe then some see it as "punishment" and if we stay then some want us to leave.

HOLY CRAP, EUROPEANS HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS

[Ancyrean]

The primary function of NATO now is to maintain an established institutional link between both sides of the Atlantic. Actually, NATO is the only substantial and meaningful institutional link between them.

NATO's successful past created an invaluable habit of consultation and coordination, which maintains a modicum of trust based on half a century of allied interaction. As such, even in bitter disagreements like Iraq, the NATO framework gives everybody a stake not to throw away the final link with the other side (if I may call it that) in favour of an unpredictable vacuum (made further bitter by the collapse of NATO).

Besides, NATO is the storehouse of operational guidelines for coordinating the armies of so many countries. NATO also created long-established and successful common standards of all kinds of weapons of its members to create meaningful interoperability. Over time, as different standards start to prevail between Europe and US, ditching NATO would destroy any future chance of common military operations by Europe and US.

Again, it's due to the existence of NATO that the bitter disagreements of our times don't assume dangerous proportions in the long run.

And what about this cherished "European Security Identity"? Europe itself cannot agree on what kind of a future it wants to have, it's only natural that they can't clarify what a "common European defence" means.

[Serb]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Why then are you so concerned about a defensive alliance, Serb?

Defensive?
You must be kidding me.
NATO attacked Yugoslavia in 1999, thus violated not only its own charter, its so-called defensive nature, but UN charter as well. Now NATO surrounds Russia with its bases and considering that Russia always was the main (if not the only) enemy for NATO, Russians have pretty good reasons to be concerned.

NATO must die peacefully, like Warsaw Pact died, otherwise one day it will be slain.

[Saras]

NATO
Pissing off Rusia
Serb

[Harovan]

NATO
Pissing off America
Serb

[Saras]

Sir Ralph

[Serb]

Thanks.

Btw Saras, Rossiya pishetsya s dvumya "S", dazhe v angliiskom yazyke.

Anekdot pro Russkii yazyk:
Odin Amerikanec prozhil v Rossii 10 let i tak i ne smog ponyat' pochemu "huevo"- eto ploho, a "pizdato"- eto horosho, i pochemu "ohuitel'no"- vsegda luchshe chem "pizdato", a "pizdec" vsegda huzhe chem "huevo".

Vot takoi vot blya yazyk, a vy govorite NATO, NATO...

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb

Anekdot pro Russkii yazyk:
Odin Amerikanec prozhil v Rossii 10 let i tak i ne smog ponyat' pochemu "huevo"- eto ploho, a "pizdato"- eto horosho, i pochemu "ohuitel'no"- vsegda luchshe chem "pizdato", a "pizdec" vsegda huzhe chem "huevo".

Znajem znajem. Slush, u vas tam v Omske Ikea otkryvaetsia slyshal?

[MikeH]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Pfft. You over-exagerate the number of Canadians who hate Bush, and you underplay the link between hating Bush and being inclined to be anti-American.

I hate most of what Bush has done but wouldn't consider myself anti-American. If anything Bush is the anti-American one. Idon't think Bush stands for very much of the great stuff that America traditionally stands for. Especially with regards to tolerance, diversity, individual freedom, mobility between classes etc. All the stuff that America seems to be losing but that made it a place to look up to.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Saras
Znajem znajem. Slush, u vas tam v Omske Ikea otkryvaetsia slyshal?

OMFG Sweden invades Siberia

[BeBMan]

Go Sweden, Go!

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Serb
Thanks.

Btw Saras, Rossiya pishetsya s dvumya "S", dazhe v angliiskom yazyke.

Anekdot pro Russkii yazyk:
Odin Amerikanec prozhil v Rossii 10 let i tak i ne smog ponyat' pochemu "huevo"- eto ploho, a "pizdato"- eto horosho, i pochemu "ohuitel'no"- vsegda luchshe chem "pizdato", a "pizdec" vsegda huzhe chem "huevo".

Vot takoi vot blya yazyk, a vy govorite NATO, NATO...

Rasskazat' etot anekdot zhene ili net... dumayu luchshe net!

[Saras]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph


OMFG Sweden invades Siberia

"Liberates from Muscovy occupation" is the word