The Guardian: Nato is a threat to Europe and must be disbanded

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Zulu Elephant
Gist of the Article

The language it was clothed in

I have to agree on both points. The writer seems to have a serious malfunction on some basic facts, but it would be very good if the EU could get its defence house in order.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Serb
In accordance with recent version of history they weren't allies.

[Harry Tuttle]

What exactly are these European values that the article mentions?

[Serb]

Freedom of speech, freedom of faith, free and honest elections and anti-Americanism of course.

[notyoueither]

You mean freedom from faith, don't you?

When you said 'honest elections' you were really trying to pull our legs, weren't you?

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by Serb
Freedom of speech, freedom of faith

Well, those seem to be universal. Freedom of Faith? How's that anti-Muslim and Anti Semite movement going in France?

[Serb]

Originally posted by notyoueither
You mean freedom from faith, don't you?

When you said 'honest elections' you were really trying to pull our legs, weren't you?

No objections about anti-Americanism being one of the European values?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle


Well, those seem to be universal. Freedom of Faith? How's that anti-Muslim and Anti Semite movement going in France?

Well, this is a freedom of Faith. They have both anti-Semite and anti-Muislim movements. Looks like pretty free and advanced society.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Serb


No objections about anti-Americanism being one of the European values?

That's a given. Honestly. No smilie required. The longer we go past the fall of the SU, the more there will be desire to create a counterweight to American power.

Horror vacui. Both nature and humans abhor a vacuum. The trick is going to be managing the next 50 years as the Soviet system is replaced without blowing the world up. It would be a big bonus if that power and the US could live more peacefully.

[Wittlich]

I concur with your reasoning NYE.

In the past, the U.S. had the U.S.S.R. as a counterbalance to world power - both known as "Superpower" nations.

Now that the U.S.S.R. is no more, the U.S. has moved from a "Superpower" nation to that of a "Hyperpower" nation (or that of one who has supreme superpower over all others)....and this is making the rest of the world nervous since there is currently no counter-balance to the U.S.'s influence and no other nation to effectively counter any global actions the U.S. decides to take.

I guess time will tell....

[Agathon]

Now that the U.S.S.R. is no more, the U.S. has moved from a "Superpower" nation to that of a "Hyperpower" nation (or that of one who has supreme superpower over all others)....and this is making the rest of the world nervous since there is currently no counter-balance to the U.S.'s influence and no other nation to effectively counter any global actions the U.S. decides to take.

But only the loony left (i.e. me, Chegitz and the other "usual suspects") really cared about US crimes under Clinton. But now Bush hating is a mainstream thing outside of the US, and has even spread to many avowed conservatives.

All my students hate Bush, all my fellow grads hate Bush (the Americans more than everyone else - one of them used the term "mother*******" the other day, which is the first oath I've ever heard from her), everyone else on campus seems to hate Bush, my thesis reader hates Bush, my arch conservative supervisor hates Bush, the lady at Tim Horton's where I buy a coffee and a donut hates Bush.

Everyone hates him, but not all of these people hate America.

[notyoueither]

Pfft. You over-exagerate the number of Canadians who hate Bush, and you underplay the link between hating Bush and being inclined to be anti-American.

[Agathon]

Pfft. You over-exagerate the number of Canadians who hate Bush, and you underplay the link between hating Bush and being inclined to be anti-American.

I've met precisely two people who liked him, both were Jewish and thought he was good for Israel.

I suppose lots of people like him in Alberta, but the cold there has obviously warped your minds.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle


Well, those seem to be universal. Freedom of Faith? How's that anti-Muslim and Anti Semite movement going in France?

What about the anti-atheist movement in America?

(I'm on his ignore anyway, I'm doing that for the principle of it...)

[Agathon]

I can't remember the last time I was on ignore.

The problem with ignore, is that it is hard to ignore someone who annoys the hell out of you, and you can't put the mods on ignore.