The Guardian: Nato is a threat to Europe and must be disbanded

[Tripledoc]

An organisation is defined by its most base members.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Agathon
Are you seriously suggesting that Canada and the US are functioning democracies, Spiff?

What kind of crap-ass communist are you?

The US and Canada are examples of rather-functioning liberal democracies, which Tripledoc oppose anyway. And the European liberal democracies aren't much better, except that they know how to run an election

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
An organisation is defined by its most base members.

Like (in the case of NATO): the US, Britain, France and Germany, which are the very base of the NATO military (the US far above all the others)

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
An organisation is defined by its most base members.

Why do you think that?

[Winston]

Spain did not become a member of NATO until 1982, 7 years after the death of Francisco Franco.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Spiffor

The US and Canada are examples of rather-functioning liberal democracies, which Tripledoc oppose anyway. And the European liberal democracies aren't much better, except that they know how to run an election

[Saras]

Whose DL is Tripledoc?

[Pekka]

Agathon, oh just say it, you want to live in here... you want to trade the sunny and warm mediterranian weather to the nordic one.. Hey, you don't have to invade anything, just come here, more cheap and easy.

(and then when the night gets dark, we will kidnap you and smuggle you over the border where you belong!)

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Saras
Whose DL is Tripledoc?

Ned's.

-Arrian

[Saras]

Originally posted by Arrian


Ned's.

-Arrian

Looks like a bit of mental masturbation to me

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Saras
Whose DL is Tripledoc?

Fez's

Seriously, I don't think Tripledoc is a DL. He is too documented, and puts too much work in his posts. Only an artist could put so much work in a DL

[Arrian]

I was just basing it on the idea the Ned & Tripledoc are mirror images of one another. Looney right and looney left, both frequently quote op-ed from dubious sources to back up their positions...

I see a pattern, folks.

-Arrian

p.s. Saras - what is Apolyton OT if not mental masturbation?

[Saras]

Originally posted by Arrian
p.s. Saras - what is Apolyton OT if not mental masturbation?

BDSM with a touch of anal?

[laurentius]

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[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Winston
Spain did not become a member of NATO until 1982, 7 years after the death of Francisco Franco.

Spain only entered NATO in 1982, but a bilateral US agreement with Spain was made already in 1953, this a result of The Korean War. Spain was to be the last line of defense, in case of a Warsaw Pact attack. Since the US was prima inter pares in NATO this was effectively a NATO membership. And various sources all say that SPain officially joined NATO in 1982.

Here is what the deal included.

The US agreed to defend Spain from any invasion and Spain agreed to provide bases for the US. The US would have to first get permission from Spain before using the bases to fight other countries except in the case of a Soviet sneak attack, in which case the US could use them at will. This later provision was made secret so as to avoid domestic criticism in both countries. Franco’s regime was based on nationalist ideology and making it secret would avoid the impression that Spain was being subordinated to the US and the US, which was based on democratic ideology, wanted to avoid criticism of backing fascism.

President Eisenhower completed the deal by signing the Pact of Madrid on September 26, 1953, just two months after the end of the Korean War. Officially the pact was not a treaty but an “executive order.” This was in effect the same as a treaty, except the President didn’t have to get the Senate’s approval of it – effectively subverting part of the constitution. In exchange for the bases Spain received 600 million dollars in military aid and 500 million in economic aid. Commenting on the Pact, Eisenhower said:

"It is a quid pro quo; they had certain things that we need and are valuable to us, and we made certain arrangements in order to get those things. I might say that this thing has been in the mill for a long time … and we believe it is something that will work to the benefit of the United States."

Even more important then the money Spain gained was Spain’s readmittance into the international community. Spain would soon be admitted to the United Nations and many other international organizations. Eventually it would join NATO. This was the start of Spain’s journey out of isolation and into the western camp, eventually becoming a normal west European country.

http://question-everything.mahost.org/History/franco.html