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But we do. We make exelent ICBMs to solve this NATO problem.Comment
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Since NATO has surrounded Russia with bases, that just means that Russia won't have to spend the money keeping bases in these countries and spending political capital cleaning up these countries' messes. Now it's on the US' and EU's dime.Not only NATO still exist, but it also grows. How the hell we can be friends if you surround us with your military bases and make this anti-Russian alliance stronger and stronger?
The only long-term benefit to Russia of having satellite countries is that it strokes Russian pride.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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The Gladio Network
Operation Gladio
© 1997 David Guyatt
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US planners worried over the growing influence of Italy's large and popular communist party, established Operation "Gladio" in 1956. The name derived from the short sword used by Roman legionnaires 2000 years earlier, and was almost certainly drawn from the crest of SHAPE which features two swords arranged in an "A" shape. The Gladio network was operated by the secret services and initially funded by the US Central Intelligence Agency. 622 people were recruited and trained by US and British specialists in Sardinia. It is believed that up to 15,000 members were ultimately recruited to the Gladio network.
By 1972, with the prospect of a Soviet invasion receding, a decision was taken to "make a pre-emptive attack" on the Italian communist party - who had polled 27% in that year's election - and who would go on to increase their vote to 35% just four years later. There immediately followed a series of bomb outrages signalling the beginning of a "strategy of tension," designed to shift Italian politics sharply to the right. In April 1972 a Fascist bomb attack killed three carabinieri. In November 1973, an Argo 16 aircraft was destroyed in a mid-air explosion.
But if the Gladio network was the armed force, the secret Masonic lodge "Propaganda Due" (P2) was the Elitist "shadow government" tasked with directing them. Adhering to a right wing ideology bordering on fascism, P2 was headed by Licio Gelli - known as the "Puppet-master." During the war Gelli had been a member of Mussolini's notorious "Black shirts," and later acted as liaison officer to the Hermann Goering SS division. By 1974 P2 had in excess of 1000 members comprising a "who's who" of Italian political, military and economic power. Members included four Cabinet ministers, three intelligence chiefs, 160 senior military officers, 48 MPs, the Army Chief of Staff, as well as top diplomats, bankers, industrialists and media publishers.
It was also during 1974 that Gelli met secretly with Alexander Haig. Formerly, the NATO Supreme Commander, Haig had meanwhile become President Nixon's White House Chief of Staff. The secret meeting was held in the US Embassy in Rome. Receiving the blessing of Henry Kissinger, the US National Security Adviser, Gelli left the meeting with a promise of continued financial support for the Gladio network and it's plan for the "internal subversion." of Italian political life. As welcome as this was, Gelli required additional funds to support P2 and operation Gladio.
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Sorry DanS, but we don't believe in NATO's good intentions. Russians see this alliance as threat to Russia. And we have all reasons to believe so.Originally posted by DanS
Since NATO has surrounded Russia with bases, that just means that Russia won't have to spend the money keeping bases in these countries and spending political capital cleaning up these countries' messes. Now it's on the US' and EU's dime.
The only long-term benefit to Russia of having satellite countries is that it strokes Russian pride.Comment
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Can we really be blamed if you left so little good will in your former satellites that they bolted for a kinder, gentler "overlord" the first chance they got?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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The tin foil hat industry must be booming in Russia.Originally posted by Serb
Russians see this alliance as threat to Russia. And we have all reasons to believe so.
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I didn't know that you think so high of the EUOriginally posted by DinoDoc
Can we really be blamed if you left so little good will in your former satellites that they bolted for a kinder, gentler "overlord" the first chance they got?
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Germans are OK. It's the cheese eating surrender monkeys that get my ire up.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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We still can provide a lot of space for playing Fallout alive for you, regardless on wich side those little mofos are playing. So you can have them if you wish, we'll nuke them first when time will come. Just a little advice- don't trust them much. When somebody betrays once he will betray over and over again.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Can we really be blamed if you left so little good will in your former satellites that they bolted for a kinder, gentler "overlord" the first chance they got?
Have a nice day.Comment
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So did the RAF. If the Luftwaffe had kept up the tactical pressure rather than terror bombing the cities they'd have won.Originally posted by Oerdin
Britain did pretty well before the US entered and I doubt Germany could have invaded even if the Soviets or Americans didn't join in the war. The German Air Force got mauled pretty bad during the battle of Britain...
That's because Hitler wanted to invade Russia. Had he invaded Britain he could well have had the Red Army bearing down on Berlin 4 years early...Originally posted by Oerdin ...and they were forced to call off the invasion
The North Africa campaign's decisive moment was at El Alamein, 1943... 40 miles or so from the Suez Canal. The US provided the material means for that battle to be won, and helped a lot with the Torch landings (at the other end of Africa) to make sure Rommel had to retreat. I honestly think that, without that US support, El Alamein would have been a decisive Axis victory, turning the Med into a private lake.Originally posted by Oerdin ...the British managed to push the vaunted Afrika Korp half way across north Africa...
??? The first thing the German forces did was to seize Narvik, the strategic port for shipping 50,000 tonnes of Swedish iron ore per day.Originally posted by Oerdin and they checked the German advance into Norway.
That campaign was lost from the start.
I'm British, but I try hard not to kid myself.
Thank you Tojo for forcing the US off the sidelines.
Some cry `Allah O Akbar` in the street. And some carry Allah in their heart.
"The CIA does nothing, says nothing, allows nothing, unless its own interests are served. They are the biggest assembly of liars and theives this country ever put under one roof and they are an abomination" Deputy COS (Intel) US Army 1981-84Comment
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What are we going to do? Attack Russia?Sorry DanS, but we don't believe in NATO's good intentions. Russians see this alliance as threat to Russia. And we have all reasons to believe so.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Yep.
We are currently number one oil exporter and have the largest stockpiles of natural gas. Considering your crusade for remaning resources and growing NATO, despite there is no more WP and Russia isn't a communist state now, I would say - yes, you still treat us as enemy and going to attack us sooner or later.Comment
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Poor Serb.BlahComment
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No you aren't. You are the biggest oil PRODUCER but Saudi Arabia exports more.Originally posted by Serb
Yep.
We are currently number one oil exporter...Some cry `Allah O Akbar` in the street. And some carry Allah in their heart.
"The CIA does nothing, says nothing, allows nothing, unless its own interests are served. They are the biggest assembly of liars and theives this country ever put under one roof and they are an abomination" Deputy COS (Intel) US Army 1981-84Comment
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