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Ya. Of course, some of em are probably just people that live there trying to survive. If a foreign army invades your hometown, starts killing people, women and children included, maybe you'd take up arms, defend your home, your neigbourhood.
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Everything I am hearing about Falluja seems to imply that it is unlikely if even half of the buildings in the city survive. The insurgents keep moving from building to building as we keep knocking buildings over.
Civilian deaths *still* haven't even been hinted at as far as I can tell, which is often a bad sign.
Looks like the battle is very, very messy.
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There's also reports of insurgents popping up in areas that's supposed to be cleared. The americans will probably have to go over the city a couple of times to really clear it from opposition and to arrest anyone and everyone that's trying to hide.Comment
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That looks as bad as Baghdad, where there seems to be a bomb exploding and a gunfight taking place on a daily basisOriginally posted by Kropotkin
There's also reports of insurgents popping up in areas that's supposed to be cleared. The americans will probably have to go over the city a couple of times to really clear it from opposition and to arrest anyone and everyone that's trying to hide.
I'm also unpleasently surprised by the Mosul fights, as I had hoped the Kurdish region would be spared the recent turmoil."post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
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you mean kill everyone and anyone that's trying to hide.Originally posted by Kropotkin
There's also reports of insurgents popping up in areas that's supposed to be cleared. The americans will probably have to go over the city a couple of times to really clear it from opposition and to arrest anyone and everyone that's trying to hide.Freedom Doesn't March.
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Shoot first, ask questions later. Compassionate conservatism at its best. Here come the Iraqis now with open arms, flowers, and poetry."I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
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I wouldn't expect many civilian deaths given the rather porous nature of the siege to allow the civilians to leave.Originally posted by Drachasor
Civilian deaths *still* haven't even been hinted at as far as I can tell, which is often a bad sign.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Just makes it suck more because illegal-occupyers going around shooting first and asking later is particularly gauling for those loosing sons daughters husbands wives fathers and mothers in this John Wayne campaign.Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
Shoot first, ask questions later. Compassionate conservatism at its best. Here come the Iraqis now with open arms, flowers, and poetry.
People can't leave Falluja now, it's very dangerous, the place is teeming with trigger-happy American Marines who have already proved thay they think nothing of opening-up on families in cars, old folk waving white flags etc. Not to mention that any male older then nine and younger then eighty is seen as an Insurgent. Anyway, where to go, if you live in a slum city like Falluja, what resources could you expect to draw upon out there in the counttryside/desert or other cities like your own. It's not like the yanks bothered to setup refugee camps or anything, probably because that would entail some sort of responsability for the people that would turn up. US government doesn't even care to provide for its own people back in America, let alone a bunch of deadbeat I-rakees.
Speaking of the Insurgents (who are for the most part- quite legal in their resistance of the US military, foreign jihadi's notwithstanding) they won't give up. Why should they, they endured thirty years of Saddams tyranny, they're united regardless of ethnicity or sect, and their cause is actually just. Breaking Falluja won't break the spirit of Iraqi resistance. This is a Blitz-Spirit in action, so keep on mindlessly and unquestioningly blasting away there, but be prepared for a long war.Last edited by problem_child; November 12, 2004, 17:36.Freedom Doesn't March.
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I'd be more inclined to say that it isn't. Jus in bello is a *****.Originally posted by problem_child
Why should they, they endured thirty years of Saddams tyranny, they're united regardless of ethnicity or sect, and their cause is actually just.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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So anyway, hopefully once the Americans are gone, Iraq might get a break, maybe the yanks and the brits will leave it alone and it might get to pick a leader for itself (with accompanying stable political system) that isn't a dictator, puppet, or theocrat (like what happened to Iran, out of the dictatorship, into the theocracy).Freedom Doesn't March.
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Airstrikes, artillery and heavy machine guns aren't exactly selective to what they hit. They go straight through brick walls miles away and kill people you didn't even know were there.Originally posted by DinoDoc
I wouldn't expect many civilian deaths given the rather porous nature of the siege to allow the civilians to leave.So get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students
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I somethimes wonder if people really think and act that much different from they heyday of the Mongols, when fortified cities would surrender without a fight after seen a neighbour being massacrated. Would the insurgency still be going if Fallujah had been flattened the first time round?
I guess it's back to my old opinion that it doesn't pay to be Evil Light.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
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I wouldn't expect many civilian deaths given the rather porous nature of the siege to allow the civilians to leave.Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
Airstrikes, artillery and heavy machine guns aren't exactly selective to what they hit. They go straight through brick walls miles away and kill people you didn't even know were there.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Heehee, that's why the Democrats lost the election!Originally posted by Last Conformist
I guess it's back to my old opinion that it doesn't pay to be Evil Light.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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I wager more civilians will die than insurgents by at least a factor of two.Originally posted by DinoDoc
I wouldn't expect many civilian deaths given the rather porous nature of the siege to allow the civilians to leave.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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