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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Freedom's a *****, isn't it?
which is detroying the moral character of our nation and thus destroying our nation.
Freedom's a *****, isn't it?
Freedom's a "pitch" isn't it?
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Freedom is defined however the majority of people wish to define it. If the majority of people wish to define freedom as being freedom from gay marriage then so be it.
Freedom's a "pitch" isn't it?
HAVE A DAY.
<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 -
If the majority of people wish to define freedom as being freedom from gay marriage then so be it.
Oh, the 'freedom from'. You are sounding like FDR.
Funny, I thought that conservatives were AGAINST legislating morality! Funny me... it seems they were making that up.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Laws are based on someone's morals; that's where laws come from. If our laws were based immorals (lawlessness) rather than morals we would have an anarchy.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
If the majority of people wish to define freedom as being freedom from gay marriage then so be it.
Oh, the 'freedom from'. You are sounding like FDR.
Funny, I thought that conservatives were AGAINST legislating morality! Funny me... it seems they were making that up.
HAVE A DAY.
<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17Comment
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Then why I do keep hearing conservatives whine that liberals are legislating morality? Such as when Massachusetts said it was unconstitutional to ban gay marriage. And what happens with the US Supreme Court runs banning gay marriage violates Equal Protection?
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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What conservatives really mean is that liberals are legislating immorality.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Then why I do keep hearing conservatives whine that liberals are legislating morality? Such as when Massachusetts said it was unconstitutional to ban gay marriage.
In your dreams! With Bush reelected chances are we will have a conservative Supreme Court very soon!And what happens with the US Supreme Court runs banning gay marriage violates Equal Protection?
But if all else fails the states can still (and some did yesterday) vote on the Federal Marriage Amendment. If at least 38/50 states (3/4) and two-thirds of the house and senate vote for it then there is nothing the Supreme Court can do about it.
May the will of God and the will of the people be done.
HAVE A DAY.
<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17Comment
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Originally posted by Dissident
you guys are still talking about the election?
old news
move on with your lives
If this is your opinion, fine. But others believe that this results of this election of president and representatives will have significance into the future, beyond 2008.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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check out my new avatar!Comment
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What conservatives really mean is that liberals are legislating immorality.
Yeah, to them. Doesn't mean they are right.
Perhaps it's a good time to say again: freedom is a *****.
In your dreams! With Bush reelected chances are we will have a conservative Supreme Court very soon!
Um... FYI, we already do. And they, in Lawrence v. Texas said laws against sodomy are unconstitutional.
But if all else fails the states can still (and some did yesterday) vote on the Federal Marriage Amendment. If at least 38/50 states (3/4) and two-thirds of the house and senate vote for it then there is nothing the Supreme Court can do about it.
Congress has to pass it and they never will. They've blocked it twice, with a REPUBLICAN majority.
May the will of God and the will of the people be done.
God is dead.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Re: Re: Reassement and Retrenching?
Originally posted by Ned
My thoughts are that you should stop thinking of the Republican Party as being anti-gay. Being against "gay marriage" is not the same thing as being homophobic. Republicans favor domestic rights legislation. It is time for Democratic gays to drop their overly aggressive anti-Republicanism, as it only makes working together for better gay rights very difficult.
I would like to point to what almost happened to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Martin Luther King and his highly partisan organization demonstrated outside of Senator Dirksen's headquarters in Illinois. Dirksen at the time was a Republican minority leader of the Senate and was cooperating with Hubert Humphrey and Lyndon Johnson in attempting to override the Southern Democrat filibuster of the Civil Rights Act. As a result of Kings demonstration, Dirksen complained publicly and said that he would withdraw his support of the Civil Rights Act if these kind of demonstrations continued.
I hear no gay bashing from the Republican leadership. I do hear a substantial amount of Republican-bashing from gays. Republican-bashing has got to stop.
I am not Republican-bashing, since I do respect moderate Republicans who are not on a leash held by the religious right.
To say that Republicans who supported Bush's anti-gay amendment and then claim that he does not hate gays is absurd. It would be similar to saying that those who opposed interracial marriage did not hate blacks.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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Republicans are legislating morality (right) not immorality (wrong).Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
What conservatives really mean is that liberals are legislating immorality.
Yeah, to them. Doesn't mean they are right.
No, freedom is a pitch.Perhaps it's a good time to say again: freedom is a *****.
It's like a pitcher throwing a baseball. The pitcher can throw the ball in many different ways. Whatever the pitcher (the people) pitches to the hitter (the government) goes.
The conservatives we have on the bench right now are RINO Republicans. That is, they are Republicans in name only; they are not really conservative.Um... FYI, we already do. And they, in Lawrence v. Texas said laws against sodomy are unconstitutional.
The sad part is that 5 unelected judges have hijacked our constitution. That is all inevitably going to change soon, though. Anywhere from 2-4 of these judges could potentially retire in the next 4 years.
We have a slight Republican majority in both houses, but if Democrats keep being the idiots they are and stay too far to the left (dividing the country) then they will continue to lose seats in both the house and the senate because they are not getting their message out to the so-called "fair-minded" Americans (swing voters).Congress has to pass it and they never will. They've blocked it twice, with a REPUBLICAN majority.
Jesus died and rose again! My redeemer lives!God is dead.
HAVE A DAY.
<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17Comment
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I'll be right behind you....Originally posted by Theben
Indiana's a solid red state. And the drift will teach those Ohioans a lesson!
Just let me leave Indy 1st...Comment
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Republicans are legislating morality (right) not immorality (wrong).
Other way around... banning gay marriage is immoral.
Whatever the pitcher (the people) pitches to the hitter (the government) goes.
Incorrect. The government had to drag the people to accept that blacks were equal. Now they should do the same with gays.
The conservatives we have on the bench right now are RINO Republicans. That is, they are Republicans in name only; they are not really conservative.
If they leave and form another party (which it seems you want) the Republicans lose the Senate, at least. The house, probably.
The sad part is that 5 unelected judges have hijacked our constitution.
Enforced it, actually. Banning homosexual sodomy is obviously against the Equal Protection Clause.
And btw, the case saying banning sodomy is unconstituonal was a SIX to Three vote.
We have a slight Republican majority in both houses, but if Democrats keep being the idiots they are and stay too far to the left (dividing the country) then they will continue to lose seats in both the house and the senate because they are not getting their message out to the so-called "fair-minded" Americans (swing voters).
Which has nothing to do with the fact that REPUBLICANS have BLOCKED the gay marriage amendment. Not the Democrats!
And the only one 'dividing' the country is Bush. That whole 'uniter not a divider' didn't work out too well, did it?
Oh, and independants went for Kerry in this election. You can look it up.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Would be even worse with a stronger dollar.Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
It hasn't helped yet. People are still buying from the same old places, like Canada snd China."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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Re: Re: Reassement and Retrenching?
You are correct in theory, but most of the time a person who is against gay marriage is also homophobic.Originally posted by Ned
Being against "gay marriage" is not the same thing as being homophobic.
Republicans favor domestic rights legislation. It is time for Democratic gays to drop their overly aggressive anti-Republicanism, as it only makes working together for better gay rights very difficult.
This? From YOU!? Sorry, but I have to
Ah, yes, b/c of course the gays started it. Meet them halfway, Ned, meet them halfway.I hear no gay bashing from the Republican leadership. I do hear a substantial amount of Republican-bashing from gays. Republican-bashing has got to stop.
I'm consitently stupid- Japher
I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- NedComment
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Probably completely unrelated to anything, but it just struck me. I find myself feeling more sympathetic to John Kerry the person now that I know he's lost. My view on his political agenda hasn't changed (of course), but I actually feel a little sorry for him as a person now that it's all over, after digesting all the news and watching some additional footage.
A bit strange, does anyone feel the same way?Comment
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