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  • #136
    Originally posted by Drachasor


    That's a nice little rant, but I never said the US owed Kerry anything.

    I also said Kerry was responsible for the poor campaign, in the very text you quoted. Please reread it again.

    -Drachasor
    OH and your little tirade against the evilness of Rove was what?? Your only complaint against Kerry is that he mismanaged a little. But the evil Republicans conspired and the ignorant Americans are too dumb to see the real issues.
    Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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    • #137
      Originally posted by notyoueither
      No. What's objectively true is that you can't accept that others might disagree with you and have valid reasons for doing so.

      If your system is so flawed, and the results just can't be trusted, what's to stop the Army from saying that they are preserving the Republic by overturning any given election that the Cheif of Staff thinks went the wrong way?

      Do you see where this leads?

      Count the votes and accept it. Don't be a *****.
      That's a nice little Stawman, but I pointed out facts that Bush Supporters have been shown to not believe.

      Fact: Iraq had no WMDs when it was invaded.

      Fact: Multiple intelligence angencies confirmed the above after the invasion; no intelligence agency thinks there are WMDs in Iraq.

      Fact: Iraq had no substantial connection to Al Qaeda

      Fact: The 9/11 Comission confirmed the above item.

      Most Bush supporters think the opposite of the 1st and 3rd fact, and think they are confirmed too.

      All I said was that this sort of delusion damages an honest democratic system. This is a bit unrelated to the below, since fixing the electoral college won't fix this. (I failed to properly indicate this distinction before).

      In any case, we are not a terribly good democratic system and do need reform. Kerry can do that, and he should demonstrate the errors of the current system whilst doing so. This means aggressively persuing electoral votes as much as possible (but he probably won't get the votes he needs anyhow, and so ends his attempt). If he does happen to get the votes he needs to win Ohio, for instance, then the flaw in the electoral college will be clearly seen and hopefully addressed in the near future (changed to a direct popular vote, hopefully).

      I am not proposing going against any current law; just using the current system to demonstrate its flaws. However, as I said, it probably won't work as he probably can't get the votes he needs in Ohio no matter what.

      -Drachasor
      "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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      • #138
        Originally posted by Sprayber
        OH and your little tirade against the evilness of Rove was what?? Your only complaint against Kerry is that he mismanaged a little. But the evil Republicans conspired and the ignorant Americans are too dumb to see the real issues.
        It is pretty easy to find legitimate news items on what Rove has done throughout his career; you should try it.

        If you don't want to try it I'll get you something in about 12 hours. I really need to get to bed soon and I don't want to deal with the internet search at the moment.

        -Drachasor
        "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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        • #139
          personally, i think bush won.

          the world sucks. really, the glass is always half-empty, not half-full.

          bush will win, life will go on sucking, and so will the world.

          quit your *****ing.
          B♭3

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          • #140
            Best Bunka no Hi, ever!!!

            Ah, what a great day. Spent most of the day carrying a mikoshi and bonding with my community. Then, I had a ****ing fantastic feast at the home of one of my Japanese friends. And now, I come home to see that the American people have made the right choice for the future of our great nation, the greatest in the history of the world. God bless Japan! God bless America! God bless Bush!!!
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            • #141
              Originally posted by Drachasor


              It is pretty easy to find legitimate news items on what Rove has done throughout his career; you should try it.

              If you don't want to try it I'll get you something in about 12 hours. I really need to get to bed soon and I don't want to deal with the internet search at the moment.

              -Drachasor

              I trust Rove about as much as I trusted Kerry. All the people I would trust would never run for the office to begin with.

              Get someone in 08 that I would trust and I'll vote Democrat.
              Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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              • #142
                Originally posted by Drachasor


                That's a nice little Stawman, but I pointed out facts that Bush Supporters have been shown to not believe.
                Are we going to challenge electors on what they believe now?

                What sort of autocracy do you propose?
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                • #143
                  Count the votes, Sparky. All the rest is just noise.
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                  • #144
                    Originally posted by notyoueither
                    No, it just means that your opinion really doesn't matter as much as you thought it did.
                    Since I'm not an american, my hopes for that weren't very high from the start . And yes, I think that the American people does not care about my opinions - for their loss
                    I'm not a complete idiot: some parts are still missing.

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                    • #145
                      BTW, the Army could 'correct' your system more assuradely than Kerry ever could.

                      Do you really want your system fixed based on election night recriminations?
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                      • #146
                        Originally posted by aaglo


                        Since I'm not an american, my hopes for that weren't very high from the start . And yes, I think that the American people does not care about my opinions - for their loss
                        I value your opinion, aaglo, even if noboby else does.
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                        • #147
                          Originally posted by aaglo
                          Since I'm not an american, my hopes for that weren't very high from the start . And yes, I think that the American people does not care about my opinions - for their loss
                          I, too, am willing to listen to anyone's opinion before giving it the consideration it is due.
                          "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                          "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                          2004 Presidential Candidate
                          2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                          • #148
                            Originally posted by notyoueither
                            I value your opinion, aaglo, even if noboby else does.
                            You're a foreigner too (nominally, at least), so we don't really care what you think, either...
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                            • #149
                              Originally posted by Vince278
                              I, too, am willing to listen to anyone's opinion before giving it the consideration it is due.
                              Since I'm a Finnish guy, by definition, my opinions are quite far from the generally accepted views
                              I'm not a complete idiot: some parts are still missing.

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                              • #150
                                What is this I hear about the 250.000 provisional votes in Ohio and that it will take 11 days to count them?
                                CSPA

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