Asking all English Canadians

[Ben Kenobi]

Yeah, sure.

Why not?

We were an independent country. Had we chosen to abandon France to the Nazis, we could very well have done so.

Parliament did not think that it was in the best interests of any Canadians to have done so, regardless of whether they be French or English.

How would Quebec have experienced an industrial revolution in 1723, tell me?

As a colony of France, would they ever have industrialised? Name one colony of France that has.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Why not?

We were an independent country. Had we chosen to abandon France to the Nazis, we could very well have done so.

Parliament did not think that it was in the best interests of any Canadians to have done so, regardless of whether they be French or English.

Talk about revisionnism. No one gave a **** about the Nazis before the horrors were revealed in 1945.

As a colony of France, would they ever have industrialised? Name one colony of France that has.

And now to the historical what-ifs-ifs-ives. For many reasons your question doesn't make sense.

1) No colony that was majoritarily populated by non-whites before colonialism came in ever experienced an economic boost similar to that of white colonies. Africa has always remained poor, and so did India, the Caribbeans. OTOH Australia and NZ became rich countries.

2) After losing Canada, France had no colony with a major French population. In fact, France was, between 1763 and 1830, pretty much colony-less, until they expanded in Africa and later in Indochina.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
As a colony of France, would they ever have industrialised? Name one colony of France that has.

The difference being, they were French colonists, not indigenous people with French overlords. Those British colonies that were settled by Britain industrialized, those that were simply conquered did not (except India, sort of).

[Fake Boris]

Kucidude crossposting the exact same argument! The sky must be falling!

[Kuciwalker]

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


Yeah, that's the word, "traitor". What are you waiting for to hang them?

Alright Oncle, let us examine this a bit shall we?

MP's are required to swear an oath of loyalty to the Crown before taking their seat.

"swear" - make a solemn promise (do I need to define 'solemn' or do separatists understand that word?)

"oath" - a solemn promise or statement that something is true


Are you implying the BQ MP's are honestly swearing an oath to the Crown? Their oath is a fraud on the face of it. I don't advocate hanging them (nice try though - any other actions you want to rant about?) but they sure as hell shouldn't be allowed to take their seat.

"traitor" - a person who betrays his country or ruler

Set and match. Oh and look....



I can add smileys too, did it make my argument better?

[Kuciwalker]

Everyone knows the whole loyalty to the monarch thing is a farce. You aren't actually a monarchy.

[notyoueither]

No, we are a dominion. A dominion still has the Queen as head of state. And no, loyalty to the nation is not a farce.

[Ben Kenobi]

Talk about revisionnism. No one gave a **** about the Nazis before the horrors were revealed in 1945.

Lots of people did, even before 1945.

That's why we went to war, after all.

Maybe Mackenzie King didn't care all that much, and maybe the people in Quebec had their heads in the sand, but all the accounts I have read from the time showed that people were really concerned about the events in Europe, and had some doubts as to whether the Allies, even with the US and Canada, would succeed.

People had concerns about the Nazis even BEFORE the war here in Canada, after the Berlin Olympics.

1) No colony that was majoritarily populated by non-whites before colonialism came in ever experienced an economic boost similar to that of white colonies. Africa has always remained poor, and so did India, the Caribbeans. OTOH Australia and NZ became rich countries.

Canada had a majority indigenous population before colonisation. I can't think of one country that did not have a majority indigenous population before colonisation.

True, some colonies have prospered, but the British ones have always done the best, because of the different model adopted by the British.

The French, never really managed to encourage population and settlement in Quebec, or the development of industry. This is why you get a feudal model along your seigneuries, which you can still see in your electoral districts.

2) After losing Canada, France had no colony with a major French population. In fact, France was, between 1763 and 1830, pretty much colony-less, until they expanded in Africa and later in Indochina.

Yes, but that still does not negate the different approaches to colonialism, between the British and the French.

[Ben Kenobi]

Everyone knows the whole loyalty to the monarch thing is a farce.

I don't think it's a farce.

After all, I had a Brit calvary avatar before I had my custom one.

"One king, one flag, one fleet, one empire."

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

After all, I had a Brit calvary avatar before I had my custom one.

I wonder which avatar you prefer....?

How are you holding up under the new one?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by notyoueither
No, we are a dominion. A dominion still has the Queen as head of state. And no, loyalty to the nation is not a farce.

But loyalty to the monarch is. In theory, isn't there some power that lets the Queen appoint a governor who has complete control over Canada? I doubt you'd actually let that happen.

[Ben Kenobi]

I wonder which avatar you prefer....?

How are you holding up under the new one?

Fine so far.

No proabortion stuff, but we'll see what Guynemer has to say.

As for my favourite avatar, I must say I am pleased with the Sinai icon of Mary that I had before the election, but given that I owe another 2 weeks to Guynemer, I won't have that up until the new year.

[Ben Kenobi]

But loyalty to the monarch is. In theory, isn't there some power that lets the Queen appoint a governor who has complete control over Canada? I doubt you'd actually let that happen.

True we wouldn't let that happen, but political autonomy need not demand severance of loyalty to the Queen.

After all, Canadians are still shaped by their desire to remain within the Empire, rather than forging their own path.

[Kuciwalker]

You can't be "loyal to the Queen" if you'd specifically ignore her if she exercised any of here authority!